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== Has anyone updated yet? ==
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== Talk page not for tech support ==
  
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Anyone who used the Shop Channel updated (IOS 50, and 51 I think), with System Menu 3.2U update to 4.0? Will it update safely? --[[User:Piko|Piko]]
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Am I wrong in thinking this page isn't supposed to be tech support for System Menu 4.0? Having tech support questions in here just encourages more people to ask. I propose that these types of questions be removed from this page. -- [[User:MetaFight|MetaFight]] 03:40, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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:I'm wondering the same, i have the ios shop hack installed and System Menu Version 3.2E, but i'm not going to update untill i either know it's safe or someone tells me how to uninstall the ios shop hack. --[[User:Wiibrewfan4|Wiibrewfan4]] 20:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC)  
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:I agree --[[User:SquidMan|SquidMan]] 16:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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:: Me too. feel free to edit as appropriate. --[[User:Bushing|Bushing]] 09:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
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:::Done. Maybe I was a bit too harsh, but I couldn't see how any of these comments had anything to do with the [[System Menu 4.0]] ''page''. All the posts were either statements of personal experiences, a series of random characters followed by twenty exclamation points, or offtopic questions/requests. Feel free to revert if I went overboard. -- [[User:MetaFight|MetaFight]] 14:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  
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::Yeah, I just updated with a Wii that has the shop channel patchmii used on it. It updates fine. --[[User:Piko|Piko]]
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== Downgrade protection ==
  
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How does downgrading below 4.0 brick the Wii? Does 4.0 burn a fuse in OTP? I don’t have an Infectus installed so I don’t want to LLB by accident. [[User:Hallowizer|Hallowizer]] ([[User talk:Hallowizer|talk]]) 05:04, 4 May 2021 (CEST)
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:I think that it's related to hardware revisions; see [https://hackmii.com/2009/08/timing-is-everything-the-case-of-the-unsoftmoddable-wii/ Timing is everything (the case of the “unsoftmoddable Wii”)] (specifically, "Two PCB revs were made at the end of 2008/beginning of 2009 — all of these Wiis shipped with the “new” IOSes and boot2v4, and do not seem to work well with older versions of IOS").  That's not consistent with the "if you have updated through Nintendo" part though. --[[User:Pokechu22|Pokechu22]] ([[User talk:Pokechu22|talk]]) 06:44, 5 May 2021 (CEST)
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::” Downgrade will now brick the Wii (only if you have a Wii with 4.0 preinstalled or if you have updated through Nintendo).” - that second part is what I’m confused about. Does using the official update mechanism do some fuse burning? [[User:Hallowizer|Hallowizer]] ([[User talk:Hallowizer|talk]]) 06:53, 5 May 2021 (CEST)
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::EDIT: oh didn’t see the last bit of the post. Oops. [[User:Hallowizer|Hallowizer]] ([[User talk:Hallowizer|talk]]) 06:54, 5 May 2021 (CEST)
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:::I'm guessing that it was added by someone who didn't know what they were talking about.  Even if it did write something to OTP, older versions would need to check for it, and although I haven't done any kind of research into that, I'm pretty sure nothing checks it.  (I'm also not sure if you're actually able to set additional bits in OTP after some have already been set.)
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:::The phrasing on every other system menu page is "WARNING: Be advised that if your system is shipped with 4.0 preinstalled, you can not downgrade and will brick your console." (and on [[AnyRegion Changer]] it's "Downgrading on LU64+ Wii’s (boot2v4) will result in a INSTANT FULL BRICK!").
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:::The preinstalled part was [https://wiibrew.org/w/index.php?title=4.0&type=revision&diff=62762&oldid=62760 added] in July 2009, while the updated through Nintendo part was [https://wiibrew.org/w/index.php?title=4.0&diff=73810&oldid=65653 added] by the same user in October.  I still find it unlikely that it actually bricks. --[[User:Pokechu22|Pokechu22]] ([[User talk:Pokechu22|talk]]) 19:58, 5 May 2021 (CEST)
  
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Yeah, someone who's updated, see if HBC works. --[[User:Funkamatic|<font face="Copperplate Gothic Light"><font color="red">FUNK<font color="black">A</font>MATIC</font></font>]][[User talk:Funkamatic|<font face="Impact"><font color="black">  ~talk</font></font>]] 17:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
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== Korean release ==
  
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According to wiimpersonator logs ([https://wii.marcan.st/wiimpersonator/reports/wii/KOR/20090325-100223.log this] and [https://wii.marcan.st/wiimpersonator/reports/wii/KOR/20090325-170249.log this], and also [https://wii.marcan.st/wiimpersonator/reports/wii/KOR/20090730-030107.log this]), Korea never received System Menu 4.0; they just received the other updates that came with it. However, the wiki page says otherwise. [[User:Hallowizer|Hallowizer]] ([[User talk:Hallowizer|talk]]) 06:29, 25 May 2021 (CEST)
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Just updated my PAL Wii. The Homebrew Channel is still there and from what I can tell normal Homebrew applications still work fine. Tested a few games like Mahjongg Wii, Smashing and Horror Vacui. --[[User:Botskiz|Botskiz]] 18:23, 25 March 2009 (GMT+1)
 
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:sweet, thanks Bitskiz!--[[User:Funkamatic|<font face="Copperplate Gothic Light"><font color="red">FUNK<font color="black">A</font>MATIC</font></font>]][[User talk:Funkamatic|<font face="Impact"><font color="black">  ~talk</font></font>]] 17:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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::Out of curiosity I tried copying the Homebrew Channel to SD and launching it from the SD Menu. Even that works like a charm, from what I can tell. --[[User:Botskiz|Botskiz]] 18:30, 25 March 2009 (GMT+1)
 
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:::WTF?! that's freaking sweet. Does DVDx work? (no skin off my nose, I don't use it) If it does, what did nintendo even do to limit HB?--[[User:Funkamatic|<font face="Copperplate Gothic Light"><font color="red">FUNK<font color="black">A</font>MATIC</font></font>]][[User talk:Funkamatic|<font face="Impact"><font color="black">  ~talk</font></font>]] 17:31, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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::::Not sure if DVDx Works or not, since I never had it installed, but Twilight Hack Beta 2 doesn't work anymore. --[[User:Botskiz|Botskiz]] 18:43, 25 March 2009 (GMT+1)
 
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::So what isn't working about HBC ? The "effect" described on the page is a little bit ambiguous... [[User:WendelScardua|WendelScardua]] 18:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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:::::Read Hackmii--[[User:Arikado|Arikado]] 18:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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Wow, that's fairly neat that the HBC launches from the SD card directly. Not that it makes a huge difference, since you have to have the channel installed in the first place before it can be copied to the SD card in the correct (and signed) format for your Wii to launch it. But still, that's awesome.
 
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Not that it actually launches from the SD card. It copies it to the wii, runs it, and deletes it when you quit. --[[User:11rcombs|11rcombs]] 06:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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So, any word on whether or not 4.0 includes any code that updates the Wii automatically? It's occured to me that the update to the network policy might well have been to clarify the things that Wii Connect 24 already do, which is to update content for the News and Forecast channel and other WC24 enabled channels. I dunno, perhaps their legal jargon was challenged at some point and they had to rewrite it, unless there's evidence that they're putting that change to use anywhere?--[[User:Thegamefreak0134|Thegamefreak0134]] 03:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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I updated my wii and it seems pretty god, the homebrew I checked all worked, not that I checked that much, but it's pretty good if you've already got the HBC installed --[[User:TwoBladedKnight|TwoBladedKnight]]
 
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== I did the first changelist changes ==
 
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Direct launch from SD card and SDHC support. --[[User:NavadeHo|NavadeHo]] 17:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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:looks good to me, NavadeHo. --[[User:Funkamatic|<font face="Copperplate Gothic Light"><font color="red">FUNK<font color="black">A</font>MATIC</font></font>]][[User talk:Funkamatic|<font face="Impact"><font color="black">  ~talk</font></font>]] 17:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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::People don't seem to get how this doesn't launch from the SD card. It just copies the channel over, runs it, and deletes it when done. --[[User:11rcombs|11rcombs]] 06:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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:::That's right, the channels are being copied to the NAND memory of the Wii first and are not booted directly from the SD card.
 
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== SDHC ==
 
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Finally SDHC support!!! Updating NOW! I don't care, even if I could NEVER use HB again, this update is the best ever! Edit: I even can run HBC fully off the SD card :p [[User:Sanderevers|Sanderevers]] 18:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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:Sander... <_<" [[User:NavadeHo|NavadeHo]] 19:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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::He is a traitor! :O --[[User:Initrd.gz|Initrd.gz]] 22:49, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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== System Menu 4.0 and HomeBrew SD Card? ==
 
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Can someone clarify how this update affects a Homebrew enabled SD Card? I am personally worried that, although there is mention of the update not affecting previous installs, there is nothing about whether the update re-formats the SD, or overwrites the file system of the SD! Obviously a full SD backup is recommended, but is it a must???
 
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:The update itself does nothing at all with the SD Card, so anything you stored on it will still be there after the update.
 
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::Nintendo can't decide to just format your SD card ;) That wouldn't be legal [[User:Sanderevers|Sanderevers]] 14:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Small change i maded ==
 
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IOS 61 '''IS''' used for the new shop channel. I installed the the ios 61 wad dump and the shop channel was able to work. and i was able to download the upgrade of the wii speak channel thru the new shop channel and it worked perfectly. no problems. no errors. no conflict. i am running 3.2U please dont erase that small change or revert it. installing ios 61 and the new shop channel wad was the only way for me to see if it will work. I am not talking about anything illegal because i enjoy being on 3.2u and do buy my games legit thru the shop channel. that is the only reason why i did what i did. [[User:Chink1234|Chink1234]] 17:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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Whats the difference between the new wii speak channel and the old one
 
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the new one is based off of IOS61 and so it wont work. unless u download the "updated" version. nothing new or different about it except for it being off of IOS61.[[User:Chink1234|Chink1234]] 13:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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Wow. I updated because it looked interesting and i new it wouldn't break HBC. Its extremely boring. Yawn. Its a lot less amazing than it sounds. The SD menu is basically a speedier version of copying stuff to the wiis nand and running it, something that you could have already done. It just automates the process of copy/run/delete. SDHC support is a good thing i guess. Those were the only really noticeable things. Im glad i updated, for SDHC, but other than that, its a big fail for ninty. --[[User:ChuckBartowski|ChuckBartowski]] 02:52, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Formatting ==
 
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I just want to know that if I upgraded to 4.0 (now on 3.2E), decide it is crap and format, what version would I go back to? Would I go back to the version that was presesnt when I purchased my Wii (Sept. 07) or a later one? --[[User:Danny|Danny]] 30 March 2009
 
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:No, you'd still be on 4.0 even after formatting. All formatting would do is delete your saves and channels. --[[User:Piratesmack|Piratesmack]] 21:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Downgrade ==
 
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i have updated my wii to 4.0U and succesfully downgraded it back to 3.2U. all you need is everything for the softmii hack, except for preloader. run the ios downgrader, it says that it fails but it doesnt. run cios corp. then any region changer. --[[user:bgoode2006|bgoode2006]] 18:09, 31 march 2009 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 06:30, 25 May 2021

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 Users found in violation of this rule will have their post deleted and their account blocked.

Talk page not for tech support

Am I wrong in thinking this page isn't supposed to be tech support for System Menu 4.0? Having tech support questions in here just encourages more people to ask. I propose that these types of questions be removed from this page. -- MetaFight 03:40, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree --SquidMan 16:53, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Me too. feel free to edit as appropriate. --Bushing 09:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Done. Maybe I was a bit too harsh, but I couldn't see how any of these comments had anything to do with the System Menu 4.0 page. All the posts were either statements of personal experiences, a series of random characters followed by twenty exclamation points, or offtopic questions/requests. Feel free to revert if I went overboard. -- MetaFight 14:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Downgrade protection

How does downgrading below 4.0 brick the Wii? Does 4.0 burn a fuse in OTP? I don’t have an Infectus installed so I don’t want to LLB by accident. Hallowizer (talk) 05:04, 4 May 2021 (CEST)

I think that it's related to hardware revisions; see Timing is everything (the case of the “unsoftmoddable Wii”) (specifically, "Two PCB revs were made at the end of 2008/beginning of 2009 — all of these Wiis shipped with the “new” IOSes and boot2v4, and do not seem to work well with older versions of IOS"). That's not consistent with the "if you have updated through Nintendo" part though. --Pokechu22 (talk) 06:44, 5 May 2021 (CEST)
” Downgrade will now brick the Wii (only if you have a Wii with 4.0 preinstalled or if you have updated through Nintendo).” - that second part is what I’m confused about. Does using the official update mechanism do some fuse burning? Hallowizer (talk) 06:53, 5 May 2021 (CEST)
EDIT: oh didn’t see the last bit of the post. Oops. Hallowizer (talk) 06:54, 5 May 2021 (CEST)
I'm guessing that it was added by someone who didn't know what they were talking about. Even if it did write something to OTP, older versions would need to check for it, and although I haven't done any kind of research into that, I'm pretty sure nothing checks it. (I'm also not sure if you're actually able to set additional bits in OTP after some have already been set.)
The phrasing on every other system menu page is "WARNING: Be advised that if your system is shipped with 4.0 preinstalled, you can not downgrade and will brick your console." (and on AnyRegion Changer it's "Downgrading on LU64+ Wii’s (boot2v4) will result in a INSTANT FULL BRICK!").
The preinstalled part was added in July 2009, while the updated through Nintendo part was added by the same user in October. I still find it unlikely that it actually bricks. --Pokechu22 (talk) 19:58, 5 May 2021 (CEST)

Korean release

According to wiimpersonator logs (this and this, and also this), Korea never received System Menu 4.0; they just received the other updates that came with it. However, the wiki page says otherwise. Hallowizer (talk) 06:29, 25 May 2021 (CEST)

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