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Not that I have any special interest in the matter, but isn't this thing equivalent to the Riivolution or Reggie! apps? [[User:Dashxdr|Dashxdr]] 06:53, 13 November 2010 (CET)
Not that I have any special interest in the matter, but isn't this thing equivalent to the Riivolution or Reggie! apps? [[User:Dashxdr|Dashxdr]] 06:53, 13 November 2010 (CET)
:No, it doesn't have anything to do with Wii homebrew other than the fact that SSBB is for the Wii and someone created the app. Plus the user that keeps adding it is doing a horrible job and already linked to illegal rom files. --[[User:Bg4545|wiisixtyfour]] 07:01, 13 November 2010 (CET)
:No, it doesn't have anything to do with Wii homebrew other than the fact that SSBB is for the Wii and someone created the app. Plus the user that keeps adding it is doing a horrible job and already linked to illegal rom files. --[[User:Bg4545|wiisixtyfour]] 07:01, 13 November 2010 (CET)
::Yeah, but wouldn't those observations apply to Riivolution or Reggie! as well? The intent being to allow end users to modify the behaviour of a Wii game as they wish? My point is if you don't allow this brawl stage builder thing, then wouldn't you also have to not allow these other two? [[User:Dashxdr|Dashxdr]] 07:21, 13 November 2010 (CET)

Revision as of 07:21, 13 November 2010

Hi. I saw your icon for AnyRegion Changer and thought it was pretty spiffy. :) People have been asking for inclusion of an icon in the official releases, and I was wondering if I could do so with your icon. I would of course provide attribution in all readmes for all releases using it, etc. --tona 01:36, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah sure, you can use it. Sorry I haven't checked this in a while. --Bg4545 07:05, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the very simple edit. I'm bad with Wiki Markup and what not. --BKW/TPAINROXX 03:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Icon Requests Here

Make a request for me to make an icon, I'd like to know the name, what the app does, and anything else about it here.--Bg4545 01:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

This is still open to anyone who wants an icon.png for their app... --bg4545 23:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


Completed

i love your icons, if you could add Fs browser, Xyzzy and menu loader please Octoroks 23:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey Bg4545, I like your icons! Any chance you would make one for WiiMU? It's a replacement for the standard Wii System Menu. You can find more information at its page, WiiMU. Thanks! --SquidMan 06:27, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the quick response! I love it =D Keep up the good work, man! --SquidMan 00:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Jewels could use a better icon. Dashxdr 16:23, 15 October 2010 (CEST)

I like that icon, thanks very much! Dashxdr 01:04, 16 October 2010 (CEST)
You are welcome --bg4545 04:31, 16 October 2010 (CEST)

Backup Utility

Well, I'm a lot of busy and only remotely interested in doing this. But I guess it's sort of "still there." It will probably be winter break for me before I get time to work on anything of the sort --Tona 23:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

userboxes

did you make the ps3/ps2/xbox, etc. userboxes? --Darklink 02:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Edit Warring

Please stop the edit warring. The screenshot will stay at Extrems', for the reason that yours isn't a screenshot but rather a mockup. --Tantric 05:18, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Well actually it is his Theme.. plus I think the mockup looks better and pretty much serves the same purpose. So why fix it if it aint broke? Randomdude 06:49, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Also the warring was pointless you should of just discussed it... in each others talk page.... Randomdude 06:51, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
@Tantric Understood. @Randomdude I tried.. --bg4545 01:25, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Legality

Bg4545, since you sound like an expert on illegal things let me ask you this: this page says 'Unauthorized technical modifications to your Wii Console voids your warranty and may be illegal. Nintendo may make technical changes to the Wii Console, software and/or Wii Network Service to disable the modification.'. Now nintendo does disable modifications with every new version of system menu, and one thing that it deletes every time is homebrew channel. Now question to you: do you want to be consistent and delete everything on wiibrew.org that 'may be illegal'? If so, nintendo gives you a hint what they think is unathorized mod that may be illegal. Do you want to start policing that? Just to be clear I dont like any of those themes, i didnt install any of that. I just wanted to chime in on the 'legality' debate. --Spec 21:18, 3 September 2010 (CEST)

All the statements you made about homebrew being unauthorized, but not illegal could be applied to themes you are policing. But the themes don't use reverse engineering to run and they dont circumvent protections which is all illegal according to DMCA in US and similar laws in other countries. Plus you got games using trademarks like Super Mario (even if they are entirely created by users). How about emulators - didn't sony get a court order to kill one of the emulators? Another legal action here. Also wouldn't it be illegal for nintendo to remove software from wii that you are saying is legal? Wouldn't nintedo expect a possible legal action if they kept doing that? How about this post, search for word 'illegal' and see what nintendo thinks is illegal. And you are policing posts by some guy saying "email me so I can give you a link to a site". Please... --Spec 16:00, 5 September 2010 (CEST)

Policy As Regards IOS descriptions

I'm interested in what entitles you to set policy on documenting what IOS's can do? Any technology that enables installing WADs can be abused, used for piracy. Yet the fact is there are legitimate uses. Isn't installing a homebrew WAD legal? Who are you to decide what can and cannot be discussed on this Wiki? I really want to understand what your authority is before I get caught up in a petty edit war. Dashxdr 05:33, 14 October 2010 (CEST)

First of all, WiiBrew does not support patched IOSes (i.e. cIOSes) so you didn't need to state what patches make IOS249 "useful" because its just not allowed here. And yes there are homebrew WADs that are legal, but "The HomeBrew Channel itself" does not come as a WAD and never has. Any WADs of the Homebrew Channel are illegal and not official. Thanks for actually messaging me instead of starting a pointless "edit war." --bg4545 05:52, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
I moved your comment here (from my talk page). Your page is on my watch list, so we can continue this back and forth here in one place. I want to clarify your authority. Are you an administrator, could you delete my account (for example)? Are you a user just like me? My question is because I'm wondering if in order to accomplish what I want to do, will I have to go through you, or can I just ignore you? You've inserted yourself in the picture, I'm just trying to figure out what I'm dealing with. For example if you're just a low user like myself then there's no point in debating with you. See where I'm coming from? Dashxdr 06:02, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
Fair enough. Well, no I'm no admin but I can report stuff that I see against the rules of this site (as anyone can). If what you "want to do" is against the rules than you will be blocked and your edits undone. All I did was remove the info from the IOS249 page because there's no point in including it since it is not supported by WiiBrew (as per the statements by dhewg who is an admin). I also fixed where you stated that the HBC comes as a WAD; it does not (officially/legally). So I don't know what you're trying to do but I have explained why I edited those pages. --bg4545 06:10, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
Ok thanks for clarifying that. Now since you seem to be knowledgeable about policy on WiiBrew, can I ask you a question or two? I'll concede the point about HomebrewChannel.wad not being a condoned file (however I just experimented and created just such a file myself to see whether it is true that it exists (it can be made easily)). And if modifying IOS's is not condoned on WiiBrew I'll concede the reversals to the IOS249 page. However related to modifying IOS's, doesn't the installation of a WAD onto the system menu depend on using a modified IOS? I can see the issues with distributing a modified IOS, however if one does the modifying oneself, isn't that 100% in the spirit of WiiBrew itself? Modifying a device that a person owns? Dashxdr 06:21, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
Yes, installing custom channels [WADs] with current tools requires an IOS with the "trucha bug." There are 2 ways an IOS can have this: 1. It is an old [unpatched] version (completely supported here) or 2. It is patched to include the bug (not supported). I'd like to refer to this blog post by dhewg where he states, "The AHBPROT feature, which we described one year ago, allows you to bypass IOS to access devices directly from the PPC, eliminating the need for any IOS patches. Starting now, we will remove all cIOS poisoned applications from the wiibrew.org wiki.." This means that it is possible to install custom channels using the AHBPROT feature in the Homebrew Channel, but no one has stepped up to make the installer. --bg4545 06:29, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
Ok thanks for that information, I might invest some time in researching that. My immediate goals (just FYI) I want a HomeBrew Browser Channel but can't seem to locate one for some strange reason. So I'm trying to figure out how to easily construct my own WADs (without any reliance on .NET tools) and in the process as I learn stuff I have the urge to share the knowledge gained on wiibrew.org which I've grown to like. If you had any juicy pointers to AHBPROT they'd be welcome, I'd think throwing together the desired tool wouldn't be too difficult... Dashxdr 06:40, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
For AHBPROT I'd suggest looking at the source for Dop-Mii or ftpii. WAD Manager is also open source but from what I hear, Waninkoko made it rely heavily on his cIOS so it would need a good deal of work to add AHBPROT functionality. --bg4545 06:45, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
Interesting...thanks! Dashxdr 07:11, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
The Hackmii installer and the WiiMC/FCE Ultra GX/VBA GX channel installers use AHBPROT - a patched IOS is neither required nor supported. But these installers aren't open source. --Tantric 08:41, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
@Tantric Thanks for that info. I'm wondering if there are clean-room issues involved. What if these closed sourced installers cut and pasted code out of real IOS's instead of reimplementing it, that would be a reason to keep the source closed (to prevent retaliation from copyright holder(s) for example). I'd prefer that explanation to another one of script-kiddies wanting to keep their tools theirs. I'm getting the feeling this whole area of discussion is touchy and I'm trying to figure out why. Dashxdr 13:02, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
There's no "clean-room" issue, and it's not a touchy subject either. Put simply, why does every bit of source need to be given away? It doesn't - there's no obligation and plenty of code has already been provided. There's really no secrets here - it's all been documented on WiiBrew and anyone can code it themselves, provided they have the initiative to. And a number of people already have. --Tantric 19:30, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
@Tantric Not a touchy subject? Everything is well documented here? OK, then why is there no Homebrew Browser Channel installer? I can't believe I'm the first person to want such a thing. And where is the description on WiiBrew about AHBPROT? Note if you're bored with this discussion feel free to consider these questions rhetorical. Dashxdr 21:16, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
No one has bothered. That is the simple and straight forward reason. Now, for making a custom channel without using .NET tools, that's perfectly possible, you can use other tools to do the job. Basically what you need are a legal base WAD (You can get these from the CustomizeMii Google Code page), a WAD (un)packer and a TPL converter. Extract the base WAD, convert the TPLs to PNGs, edit/replace them (!!make sure images are same dimensions etc!!), convert back to TPLs and then repack the WAD. Optionally, you could also edit the animation with Benzin while its unpacked, but that's tricky. And then you will have a custom channel WAD. As for installing it, you're on your own there :P. I'm guessing the main reason for installers being closed source is so that pirates don't change two lines and have a warez installer. And for HackMii Installer, that's obviously not going to be open source, then Ninty would see their exploits, and scammers would remove the scam warnings.
Also, I'm pretty sure there IS a Homebrew Browser Channel, just not on WiiBrew. Google a bit ;)
BTW, there's some documentation on HW_AHBPROT right here: http://hackmii.com/2009/08/of-tmds-and-hardware/ - not WiiBrew, but pretty much. --SifJar 21:34, 14 October 2010 (CEST)
@Bg4545 your 06:29, 14 October 2010 comment -- There is DOP-Mii:_WiiBrew_Edition which doesn't depend on a modified IOS to work, and it can install and uninstall wads. It seems the simplest method for making a custom WAD installer would be to modify the user interface on this to allow navigation to a directory containing WAD files and the ability to select which to install. Dashxdr 16:54, 25 October 2010 (CEST)
Oh yeah, I didn't even think of that.. That would probably work. --wiisixtyfour 05:08, 26 October 2010 (CEST)

Brawl stage builder

Not that I have any special interest in the matter, but isn't this thing equivalent to the Riivolution or Reggie! apps? Dashxdr 06:53, 13 November 2010 (CET)

No, it doesn't have anything to do with Wii homebrew other than the fact that SSBB is for the Wii and someone created the app. Plus the user that keeps adding it is doing a horrible job and already linked to illegal rom files. --wiisixtyfour 07:01, 13 November 2010 (CET)
Yeah, but wouldn't those observations apply to Riivolution or Reggie! as well? The intent being to allow end users to modify the behaviour of a Wii game as they wish? My point is if you don't allow this brawl stage builder thing, then wouldn't you also have to not allow these other two? Dashxdr 07:21, 13 November 2010 (CET)