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::*[[File:Categorii_v1.0-ExampleCats.rar]] <-- An example of the above cats + return, using the above gfx, without 'misc' image. -- [[User:PidGin128|PidGin128]] 09:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC) [In retrospect, I should have asked permission...]
:::I was kind of hoping to standardize of an apps_* naming format (mostly because with wiixplorer I just have to erase the _* but also so teknical might have an easier time deciding how hbb will deal with this sort of thing)--[[User:Yossi|Yossi]] 10:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Any chance of an "Applications" one? I'm too lazy and unartistic to make one, and I'd like to have Applications and Utilies seperately --[[User:SifJar|SifJar]] 12:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Icons Dir. Subpage? ==
 
I think we should have an Icon.png Showcase/Directory for Categoriis (Categoriis??? ☺☻☺☻☺☻), like [[Categorii/icons|**this one**]]. I put Elisherer's nice set of icons up, as well as adding some of my own. I don't like sig.(s) [[User:Elosnoc_iiw|Elosnoc Iiw]] 04:23, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
== Warnings ==
It might also be nice to have a password (button press sequence) required for selected directories as a way to limit access to the Installers! ;-) --[[User:Sorky|Sorky]] 02:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:The way I have it, I have one directory that only has a link back to root. The only way to get into it (from the wii) is to rename it with [[WiiXplorer]]. I was already doing this for a bit when the idea for this app came to me.--[[User:Yossi|Yossi]] 06:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:: Just needs another option... <&lt;Code>&gt;ABUDLR+H-12<&lt;/code> &gt; and if the app is run, ask for the sequence before changing any directories - if they match, proceed. If not, simply reload the HBC. --[[User:Sorky|Sorky]] 16:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
== Suggestion - possible HBB solution/workaround ==
For the links themselves I was originally thinking to go with link_*, but after seeing Capple123's ( *_LINK_* ) and PidGin128's ( _Cat* ) ideas I'm no longer at all sure that link_* is the best choice.<br />
Of course, if you feel you have a better idea please post your arguments here. --[[User:Yossi|Yossi]] 10:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== HBB ==
 
I would not be surprised and it would benefit all if the Homebrew Channel would adapt the idea of folders. This way you would not have to rename folder back and forth just to fake out the current HBC. Then HBB would easily change to accommodate since things are already sorted. Using this program HBB would need to know where it what the current SD/apps/ folder was named ie. apps_utilities --[[User:Capple123|capple123]] 19:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 
I think what I'm going to do until this all pans out is keep my HBB in the apps_root and sort thing out when I need to. Not sure though how HBB will keep track of what I have install already and what version it is at. I will keep you posted--[[User:Capple123|capple123]] 21:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Sample ==
 
I built a zip of a tree menu structure to line up with the HBB and used the icons from User:Elisherer (Thanks & thumbs up!). Apps -> Demos/Emulators/Games/Media/Utilities/Installers. In each, the first App is the HBB but with the ICON for the folder so you know where you are and the second is the Back link. Just drab your apps into the appropriate folders and away you go! Note: You can even use the HBB to update each folder, but only download from the same category as the folder you chose ;-) --[[User:Sorky|Sorky]] 12:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 
> > [[File:Tree.zip]] ... PS: If anyone has a problem with the files being re-distributed, please feel free to remove the link (just don't ban me for trying to be helpful :-$
 
:The naming convention you used makes it very hard or impossible to neatly update all the categorii.dol files at once. Otherwise, good work with the HBB in each category. --[[User:Yossi|Yossi]] 10:22, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 
::Using Notepad++ to do a search and replace of files in the whole folder tree works like a charm! --[[User:Sorky|Sorky]] 15:21, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 
Just FYI I didn't know and it took me some time to figure it out, but the "apps" folder is actually "apps_".[[User:Ninjafish1990|Ninjafish1990]] 01:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
: In the ZIP it should be "apps" so that you copy the to your SD and you start there (rename existing apps to something like apps_backup)... Yes it becomes "apps_" when you go into one of the categories (it has to be called something!) --[[User:Sorky|Sorky]] 15:21, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 
Great news on the HBB front, he is planning to support this app ;-) --[[User:Sorky|Sorky]] 15:21, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Release 1.1 ==
 
Could you consider the two suggestions for this release please?
 
.Suggestion 1 = Allow config to be in the meta.xml file (using the config.xml if no value is found in the meta.xml will maintain backward compatability)
 
.Suggestion 2 = Password (button press sequence) required for selected directories (Option in the config eg: &lt;Code&gt;ABUDLR+H-12&lt;/code&gt; and if the app is run, ask for the sequence before changing directories
 
Thanks in advance --[[User:Sorky|Sorky]] 06:36, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 
:1) I don't think its a good idea to add things to the meta.xml file. it "belongs" to hbc and i wouldn't presume to use it. also there really is no point, as it would use the same amount of space anyway.
:2) Would require the wiimote to be initialized. this would slow the program down, and it's slow enough as it is. i'm going to classify this as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep feature creep], and not implement it.
 
:What ''will'' be in Version 1.1 is color (red text if error, green text if all OK, etc.) and a better .xml format (it will automatically convert the old one to the new one, you won't need to do anything). I also want to try switching over to [[libELM]] from libFAT to checkout the rumored speed increase, otherwise 1.1 is finished. I also want to write a program to update an existing categorii setup. At first it will just have a config file with all the paths of all categorii programs all over the SD card, but someday I hope to have a UI where you can create that config file directly on the wii. This will greatly simplify future updates. Currently this program is hung up on a libFAT bug, but I am told this is has been fixed for the next release. I will try out libELM for this as well. Overall, work has slowed because of school, but I do put some work into this on the weekends (for small values of "some" :p) --[[User:Yossi|Yossi]] 20:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 
::1) It's not about the space, it's about having to edit two files - and putting the same names in both gets a bit frustrating! Using your own keyword in meta.xml would be quite safe to do - you could always ask them if you were really unsure. Your comment that it "belongs to hbc" is interesting - it could be argued that the entire "apps" directory "belongs to hbc", yet you hijack that ;-)
 
::2) Feature Creep ["adding unneeded functions, sometimes at the cost of efficiency"]- Maybe / Maybe not... The password ability would really enhance this application and I'm not the only one to suggest it, so it is needed. If you had to initialize the remote every time, then yes it would impact the efficiency and I agree that extra delay would be unacceptable. However (and I'm not familiar with the code), wouldn't you only initialize the Wii remote _IF_ the password was specified? That should not slow non-password use down and if you have to enter a password, the delay would not be important.
 
::Does that help you offer further consideration? --[[User:Sorky|Sorky]] 04:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 
::: After reading what you wrote, and feeling guilty for not doing any work on this for a few weeks, I decided to go ahead and try to add these features. The new xml format I'm now using makes me feel better about adding stuff to meta.xml. So I did :) . Now when the program detects an old style config.xml, it will convert it to the new style and stick it onto the end of meta.xml. Also meta.xml is the preferred file now (so you can erase your old config.xml after the first time you run categorii 1.1 over it).
::: As for the password; I'm not sure how to implement this. Is one button reserved to signify completion of the code (i.e. enter code and then press home)? Is there a maximum length that a password might be, and if it is exceeded inform the user that they have entered an incorrect password? How should it tolerate a GameCube controller? Ideas welcome. If you know of an open source project that does this well, that would be ideal. --[[User:Yossi|Yossi]] 11:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 
:::: I lifted some password code from a certain app that must not be named :P<br />If there are <source lang="xml"><code></source>tags, the program will ask for the passcode. You have 30 seconds to enter it. It can not be longer than 10 keystrokes. As soon as the right combo is pressed, it continues. You can add an attribute like so <source lang="xml"><code for="gamecube"></source>and it will listen on the gc controller instead (wiimote still cant get in in this case). No attribute will default to <source lang="xml"><code for="wiimote"></source>The wiimote buttons are: <tt>UDLRABMP12H</tt> .The GC buttons are: <tt>UDLRABXYzlrS</tt> (lowercase for the 3 triggers). --[[User:Yossi|Yossi]] 11:17, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
::::: Sounds perfect! Thanks in advance --[[User:Sorky|Sorky]] 11:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Removal ==
 
I installed this thinking it was user friendly. Now I can't see anything in the homebrew channel. What should I do.<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Jsovey|Jsovey]] ([[User talk:Jsovey|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jsovey|contribs]]) 08:10, 4 January 2010 (UTC)</small>
:Sorry about that. You must have installed the old version (the one still available in the hbb). It has a small bug that is aggravated by the settings file it comes with. The new version 2.0 has this bug fixed AND comes with a settings file that is more benign.
:To fix the issue you have now, just put your SD card in a computer and rename the folder apps_games back to apps and everything should be just as it was before. To get rid of categorii, delete the categoriiX folder from apps/.
:If you want to see what this can really do, I suggest getting a premade setup from [http://www.mediafire.com/?nin4jqjnfhn here]. [[User:Yossi|Yossi]] 21:07, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 
== Meta.xml ==
Although I like the idea of changing the meta.xml file for this, I don't like the current change. From the Categorii page: "The <link> tag goes after the closing </app> tag of meta.xml". The app tag is the rootnode of the xml document, and a proper formatted xml document can only have one rootnode. In other words, you are creating an invalid xml file here, and xml libraries might have problems with that. I can hardly imagine that you meant to do that on purpose, but I think you have to change that. [[User:R-win|R-win]] 12:08, 5 januari 2010 (UTC)
:It just didn't make sense to add the link information inside <app>. Anyway, mxml at least, can see the <?xml tag on top as the root and then go into <apps> or <link> as desired.
:Besides, the most visited site in the world has 42 Errors, and 2 warnings, the second most visited site has 40 Errors, and the third most visited site has 180 Errors, 53 warnings, so who cares, right? :P --[[User:Yossi|Yossi]] 02:57, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

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