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| ::Don't worry. Just do not update your Wii to 3.4 and they won't be able to auto update your Wii without your permission. You have to agree to the new Terms of Service with the new 3.4 update. If you have not upgraded, you have not had to agree to it. Ergo, they are not allowed to update it without your permission until you have 3.4. [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 00:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC) | | ::Don't worry. Just do not update your Wii to 3.4 and they won't be able to auto update your Wii without your permission. You have to agree to the new Terms of Service with the new 3.4 update. If you have not upgraded, you have not had to agree to it. Ergo, they are not allowed to update it without your permission until you have 3.4. [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 00:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::I will not risk it. I have unplugged my Wii until a workaround has been created. I am using 3.2U..I refuse to upgrade so I can use Starfall. <b><font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#9900CC">[[User:Rgoodermote|Rgood]]</font><font color="#CC00CC">[[User_Talk:Rgoodermote|erm]]</font><font color="#FF99FF">[[Special:contributions/Rgoodermote|ote]]</font></font></b> 01:24, 19 November 2008 (UTC) | + | :::I will not risk it. I have unplugged my Wii until a workaround has been created. I am using 3.2U..I refuse to upgrade so I can use Starfall. <b><font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#9900CC">[[User:Rgoodermote|Rgood]]</font><font color="#CC00CC">[[User_Talk:Rgoodermote|erm]]</font><font color="#FF99FF">[[Special:contributions/Rgoodermote|ote]]</font></font></b> 01:24, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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| ::::You're being paranoid. Nintendo can't just turn on your system and update it if it's off (red light). Just disable WiiConnect24's standby. Wii gets too hot in standby mode anyway. [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 05:46, 19 November 2008 (UTC) | | ::::You're being paranoid. Nintendo can't just turn on your system and update it if it's off (red light). Just disable WiiConnect24's standby. Wii gets too hot in standby mode anyway. [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 05:46, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
− | :::::I'd rather be paranoid than without Starfall and DVDx. I love watching movies on my Wii. <b><font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#9900CC">[[User:Rgoodermote|Rgood]]</font><font color="#CC00CC">[[User_Talk:Rgoodermote|erm]]</font><font color="#FF99FF">[[Special:contributions/Rgoodermote|ote]]</font></font></b> 19:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC) | + | :::::I'd rather be paranoid than without Starfall and DVDx. I love watching movies on my Wii. <b><font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#9900CC">[[User:Rgoodermote|Rgood]]</font><font color="#CC00CC">[[User_Talk:Rgoodermote|erm]]</font><font color="#FF99FF">[[Special:contributions/Rgoodermote|ote]]</font></font></b> 19:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
| ::::::Why the hell would you use the Wii as a DVD player? It's not good for the laser anyway. [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 23:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC) | | ::::::Why the hell would you use the Wii as a DVD player? It's not good for the laser anyway. [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 23:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
− | :::::::The simple answer. Because I can and as for the strength of the laser. Well, it has to be pretty damn strong as it has to do a lot more when playing a video game than when playing a movie. However, my skills are in the world of programming and not hardware. So I will say that last part is a total guess. <b><font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#9900CC">[[User:Rgoodermote|Rgood]]</font><font color="#CC00CC">[[User_Talk:Rgoodermote|erm]]</font><font color="#FF99FF">[[Special:contributions/Rgoodermote|ote]]</font></font></b> 00:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC) | + | :::::::The simple answer. Because I can and as for the strength of the laser. Well, it has to be pretty damn strong as it has to do a lot more when playing a video game than when playing a movie. However, my skills are in the world of programming and not hardware. So I will say that last part is a total guess. <b><font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#9900CC">[[User:Rgoodermote|Rgood]]</font><font color="#CC00CC">[[User_Talk:Rgoodermote|erm]]</font><font color="#FF99FF">[[Special:contributions/Rgoodermote|ote]]</font></font></b> 00:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC) |
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| Where does the Wii check for updates from? I presume blocking the domain in your router would stop the Wii from checking for updates without killing the rest of the network functionality? [[User:Crundy|Crundy]] 11:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC) | | Where does the Wii check for updates from? I presume blocking the domain in your router would stop the Wii from checking for updates without killing the rest of the network functionality? [[User:Crundy|Crundy]] 11:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC) |
− | :I thought about that myself a while back (I plugged my Wii in everyone after I took the time to ensure it was 3.4 only now back to what I was saying) and the answer is..no. Pretty much everything goes to the same Nintendo server. So blocking it would just screw everything up and you would have no way of playing some Wii games, using the shop channel, using the news channel..I deleted the weather channel but it can screw that up too. I could be wrong about this..but..from everything I have read here..the website seems to always be the same. <b><font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#9900CC">[[User:Rgoodermote|Rgood]]</font><font color="#CC00CC">[[User_Talk:Rgoodermote|erm]]</font><font color="#FF99FF">[[Special:contributions/Rgoodermote|ote]]</font></font></b> 09:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC) | + | :I thought about that myself a while back (I plugged my Wii in everyone after I took the time to ensure it was 3.4 only now back to what I was saying) and the answer is..no. Pretty much everything goes to the same Nintendo server. So blocking it would just screw everything up and you would have no way of playing some Wii games, using the shop channel, using the news channel..I deleted the weather channel but it can screw that up too. I could be wrong about this..but..from everything I have read here..the website seems to always be the same. <b><font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font color="#9900CC">[[User:Rgoodermote|Rgood]]</font><font color="#CC00CC">[[User_Talk:Rgoodermote|erm]]</font><font color="#FF99FF">[[Special:contributions/Rgoodermote|ote]]</font></font></b> 09:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC) |
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| === Alledged Channel Killing === | | === Alledged Channel Killing === |
| I'm not sure but other than the HBC, I'm fine with Nitty getting rid of other (pirated...cough cough) channels | | I'm not sure but other than the HBC, I'm fine with Nitty getting rid of other (pirated...cough cough) channels |
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− | Would the HBC still be able to be installed (if a new TP save is made)? I know this update kills the signing bug but doesn't beta9 use some other secret exploit they're saving for BootMii? | + | Would the HBC still be able to be installed (if a new TP save is made)? I know this update kills the signing bug but doesn't beta9 use some other secret exploit they're saving for BootMii? |
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| It seems that it disables DVDx. Can someone confirm this? --[[User:Jedicommando|Jedicommando]] 23:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | | It seems that it disables DVDx. Can someone confirm this? --[[User:Jedicommando|Jedicommando]] 23:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC) |
| :The update did not remove HBC, but DVDx does not work. --[[User:Hashime|Hashime]] 00:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC) | | :The update did not remove HBC, but DVDx does not work. --[[User:Hashime|Hashime]] 00:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
− | ::Well originally, Wii Backup Loaders relied on DVDx to run. This was probably when Nitty worked on the update. It would make sense to delete it. However, Loaders don't use DVDx anymore so it's just an inconvenience to homebrew owners which sucks. --[[User:Seandgibbonsy|Twile]] 20:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | + | ::Well originally, Wii Backup Loaders relied on DVDx to run. This was probably when Nitty worked on the update. It would make sense to delete it. However, Loaders don't use DVDx anymore so it's just an inconvenience to homebrew owners which sucks. --[[User:Seandgibbonsy|Twile]] 20:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC) |
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| === Can a new game update your wii console to the newest firmware? === | | === Can a new game update your wii console to the newest firmware? === |
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| == Solutions == | | == Solutions == |
| * [[User:CashMan|CashMan]] has released [[Mii Channel Updater]] rev02. But this only updates your Mii Channel. | | * [[User:CashMan|CashMan]] has released [[Mii Channel Updater]] rev02. But this only updates your Mii Channel. |
− | * [http://www.softchip-mod.com/ SoftChip] has [http://www.softchip-mod.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/patchmii-miichannel-ios50.zip released] an implementation of PatchMii to grab the new benefits from the System Menu 3.4 without actually installing the update. Such as the Mii Channel and IOS50. It's a small adaptation of [[User:tona|Tona]]'s IOS51/Shop Channel installer which was used to fight the October 23 Update. | + | * [http://www.softchip-mod.com/ SoftChip] has [http://www.softchip-mod.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/patchmii-miichannel-ios50.zip released] an implementation of PatchMii to grab the new benefits from the System Menu 3.4 without actually installing the update. Such as the Mii Channel and IOS50. It's a small adaptation of [[User:tona|Tona]]'s IOS51/Shop Channel installer which was used to fight the October 23 Update. |
| ** We're working on the disassembly of the new system menu now. Hopefully, we'll be able to bring you all the benefits of a working 3.4 without any automatic updating or breakage of the twilight hack. | | ** We're working on the disassembly of the new system menu now. Hopefully, we'll be able to bring you all the benefits of a working 3.4 without any automatic updating or breakage of the twilight hack. |
| ***I think I'm gonna wait until then or when another official workaround has been found. | | ***I think I'm gonna wait until then or when another official workaround has been found. |
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| Is it worth updating? Im worried that if I update Nintendo will one day just disable the HBC. --[[User:Graxer|Graxer]] 19:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC) | | Is it worth updating? Im worried that if I update Nintendo will one day just disable the HBC. --[[User:Graxer|Graxer]] 19:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC) |
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− | It wouldn't be worth updating, I can tell you that much. I have a feeling that they might've just ripped off SDHC support from homebrew and actually added it to the new IOS50. I can't back this up since I have no SDHC card and I don't want to install the update. Anyways, I don't think the DVD/SD reading support would be very improved. | + | It wouldn't be worth updating, I can tell you that much. I have a feeling that they might've just ripped off SDHC support from homebrew and actually added it to the new IOS50. I can't back this up since I have no SDHC card and I don't want to install the update. Anyways, I don't think the DVD/SD reading support would be very improved. |
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| Don't you think Nintendo would have to at least notify the makers of Homebrew before they use Homebrew's code to allow SDHC cards through a system update? That's like plagarism. I doubt they allow SDHC anyhow. --[[User:Cyndaquil|Cyndaquil]] 01:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC) | | Don't you think Nintendo would have to at least notify the makers of Homebrew before they use Homebrew's code to allow SDHC cards through a system update? That's like plagarism. I doubt they allow SDHC anyhow. --[[User:Cyndaquil|Cyndaquil]] 01:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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| :It probably adds better checking or something. But I have never seen a graphical change. 05:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC) | | :It probably adds better checking or something. But I have never seen a graphical change. 05:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
| ::"Parental Controls" is code for "Homebrew blocking techniques" [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 05:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC) | | ::"Parental Controls" is code for "Homebrew blocking techniques" [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 05:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
− | :It says that after every update in case this is your first Wii Update ever. When the Wii was first released the parental controls were missing. --[[User:Pepsiman|Pepsiman]] 10:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC) | + | :It says that after every update in case this is your first Wii Update ever. When the Wii was first released the parental controls were missing. --[[User:Pepsiman|Pepsiman]] 10:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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| == Question/Suggestion == | | == Question/Suggestion == |
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| Provided they haven't actually implemented an auto-updater, the new system menu doesn't kill any pre-installed WADs (including channels) so its safe if the homebrew channel is already there. Still, its at your own risk. | | Provided they haven't actually implemented an auto-updater, the new system menu doesn't kill any pre-installed WADs (including channels) so its safe if the homebrew channel is already there. Still, its at your own risk. |
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− | Answer two: I don't think that any agreement on the site is going to keep Nintendo employees out. True, they may not be able to use such information against wiibrew in a court case, but that certainly doesn't prevent them from programming methods to stop it. The best way to keep information out of the hands of Nintendo at this point is simply not to put it on the internet. I think that what the team is doing right now (keeping the site in the dark about the details of their current hack to install channels) is very wise indeed, as it makes it that much harder for Nintendo to actually see what we're doing with that code. True, they can disassemble our stuff just like we can disassemble theirs, but that process takes time and a lot of effort, so it would cost them money to do so. If, on the contrary, we were open with the details about the exploits used, they would be able to pinpoint the weakness in the system on their own. So really, keeping the details about the particular hacks is good. Besides, that also allows us to sort of fend off the pirates for a while, which helps homebrew's case. /rant --[[User:Thegamefreak0134|Thegamefreak0134]] 02:09, 24 November 2008 (UTC) | + | Answer two: I don't think that any agreement on the site is going to keep Nintendo employees out. True, they may not be able to use such information against wiibrew in a court case, but that certainly doesn't prevent them from programming methods to stop it. The best way to keep information out of the hands of Nintendo at this point is simply not to put it on the internet. I think that what the team is doing right now (keeping the site in the dark about the details of their current hack to install channels) is very wise indeed, as it makes it that much harder for Nintendo to actually see what we're doing with that code. True, they can disassemble our stuff just like we can disassemble theirs, but that process takes time and a lot of effort, so it would cost them money to do so. If, on the contrary, we were open with the details about the exploits used, they would be able to pinpoint the weakness in the system on their own. So really, keeping the details about the particular hacks is good. Besides, that also allows us to sort of fend off the pirates for a while, which helps homebrew's case. /rant --[[User:Thegamefreak0134|Thegamefreak0134]] 02:09, 24 November 2008 (UTC) |
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| If you want a downgraded System Menu, get it fixed by Nintendo. I sent in a console with system version 3.4. The system I got back had a new serial number and version 3.1. Note: Getting a Wii repaired by Nintendo does not guarantee the return of a system with an outdated System Menu. [[User:Mmark089|Mmark089]] 09:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC) | | If you want a downgraded System Menu, get it fixed by Nintendo. I sent in a console with system version 3.4. The system I got back had a new serial number and version 3.1. Note: Getting a Wii repaired by Nintendo does not guarantee the return of a system with an outdated System Menu. [[User:Mmark089|Mmark089]] 09:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC) |