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: – I thought so to when I got this behavior in Wiiuse, 0x20-0x40 was 0xff, and the ID was also 0xff or something else (I have a Logic3 Wireless Nunchuck). But when I try it in the Dolphin emulator with real Wii games I see the same problem, it actually sends the Wii game 0xff. However it still works, probably because Wii games ignore bad calibration values (unline Wiiuse 0.12 which I had to manually give my actual Nunchuck calibration values before the nunchuck_event() function worked). It must do, because I definately only send the calibration data once, and it's 0xff, decrypted. You can try it to if you like in the Dolphin Wiimote plugin. I also see that when I change the neutral values in the middle of reporting the game get confused and thinks that the Nunchuck stick is pressed in either direction (like it should do), this way I can probably figure out approximately what the Wii games guess are the calibrated values, perhaps they are exactly the same as my Nunchuck actually sends, by trying to hold is still and exactly horizontal I got the values
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: – I thought so to when I got this behavior in Wiiuse, 0x20-0x40 was 0xff, and the ID was also 0xff or something else (I have a Logic3 Wireless Nunchuck). But when I try it in the Dolphin emulator with real Wii games I see the same problem, it actually sends the Wii game 0xff. However it still works, probably because Wii games ignore bad calibration values (unlike Wiiuse 0.12 which I had to manually give my actual Nunchuck calibration values before the nunchuck_event() function worked). It must do, because I definately only send the calibration data once, and it's 0xff, decrypted. You can try it to if you like in the Dolphin Wiimote plugin. I also see that when I change the neutral values in the middle of reporting the game get confused and thinks that the Nunchuck stick is pressed in either direction (like it should do), this way I can probably figure out approximately what the Wii games guess are the calibrated values, perhaps they are exactly the same as my Nunchuck actually sends, by trying to hold is still and exactly horizontal I got the values
  
 
  0x7d 0x7e and 0x7b 0x86 0xb5
 
  0x7d 0x7e and 0x7b 0x86 0xb5
  
:for the neutral X and Y stick values and the neutral X, Y, and Z accelerometer values (the reason X and Y are different may be that I didn't hold the Nunchuck correctly horizontal). If there is a default value in the Wii SDK that all games use it could be plausable that it never sends any calibration data. It seems unlikely however, I would want to confirm that it behaves the same way on the real hardware and with regular games before I'm certain that it actually doesn't tell anyone about its neutral values and calibration. --[[User:John Peterson|John Peterson]] 01:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
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:for the neutral X and Y stick values and the neutral X, Y, and Z accelerometer values (the reason X and Y are different may be that I didn't hold the Nunchuck correctly horizontal). If there is a default value in the Wii SDK that all games use it could be plausable that it never sends any calibration data. It seems unlikely however, I would want to confirm that it behaves the same way on the real hardware and with regular games before I'm certain that it actually doesn't tell anyone about its neutral values and calibration. -- [[User:John Peterson|John Peterson]] 01:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
  
 
== Tilt Sensor ==
 
== Tilt Sensor ==

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Wireless Nunchuks

I am using a Wireless - Nunchuk Controller by some Third Party company, and I was trying many, many times to get the wireless nunchuk running on any Lib out there. But anytime I plug it into my WiiMote my Application slows down and I don't get any response form the Nunchuk. I got no Idea, my Wii accept the Wireless - Nunchuk without any Problem.

Is there really such a big difference between the Wireless and the original Nunchuk ?

In terms of operation, there should be no difference. If there were a difference then games that require the nunchuk would not work unless they were hardcoded with explicit support for the new expansion type. My first thought would be to check to see if it's slow in any Wii games. If it's not then that's strange; if it is then the nunchuk must be doing something internally with the wiimote that it probably shouldn't be doing. This response was probably no help to you, but the bottom line is if it's slow the root cause is most likely in the way the receiver device is interacting with the wiimote internally. -- Para 12:18, 29 May 2008 (PDT)
No, I don't see any problem with any Wii-Game. Some WiiMote Lib's, which supporting the original Nunchuk perfectly, toggle between Nothing inserted and Partially inserted when Wireless Nunchuk pluged in and no Data is streamed from the Nunchuk. Its extrem strange!!!! I got no glue !


Hi, I'm still trying to run a Wireless Nunchuk. One problem is that the address areas where the calibration data normaly stored is for write-only on the wireless nunchuks. But the weird thing about this wireless nunchuk from snakebyte [1] is that I get no response at all until I played MetroidPrime3 or Zelda with it. I am not kidding !!! After playing one of this Games I get all Data only without the Calibration, so I can't really use the data because I don't know how to Calibrate the Accs and the Joystick.

I would render a guess that the wireless nunchuck is designed to respond to the series of reports sent to the wiimote by official games, and that homebrew libs aren't doing things in exactly the same order, so something isn't quite working right. In any case, are we able to read actual input from them, and just not calibration data? In this case, it might be possible to provide limited support, especially if it were just for the analog joystick and the buttons. (I don't know of any homebrew that uses the nunchuck's motion sensing.) --Thegamefreak0134 05:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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– I thought so to when I got this behavior in Wiiuse, 0x20-0x40 was 0xff, and the ID was also 0xff or something else (I have a Logic3 Wireless Nunchuck). But when I try it in the Dolphin emulator with real Wii games I see the same problem, it actually sends the Wii game 0xff. However it still works, probably because Wii games ignore bad calibration values (unlike Wiiuse 0.12 which I had to manually give my actual Nunchuck calibration values before the nunchuck_event() function worked). It must do, because I definately only send the calibration data once, and it's 0xff, decrypted. You can try it to if you like in the Dolphin Wiimote plugin. I also see that when I change the neutral values in the middle of reporting the game get confused and thinks that the Nunchuck stick is pressed in either direction (like it should do), this way I can probably figure out approximately what the Wii games guess are the calibrated values, perhaps they are exactly the same as my Nunchuck actually sends, by trying to hold is still and exactly horizontal I got the values
0x7d 0x7e and 0x7b 0x86 0xb5
for the neutral X and Y stick values and the neutral X, Y, and Z accelerometer values (the reason X and Y are different may be that I didn't hold the Nunchuck correctly horizontal). If there is a default value in the Wii SDK that all games use it could be plausable that it never sends any calibration data. It seems unlikely however, I would want to confirm that it behaves the same way on the real hardware and with regular games before I'm certain that it actually doesn't tell anyone about its neutral values and calibration. -- John Peterson 01:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Tilt Sensor

Does the guitar have a separate tilt sensor, or do they use the Wii Remote accelerometer? inio 13:57, 2 March 2008 (PST)

It does not have an accelerometer. The guitar is very similar in operation to the classic controller with a couple major differences: (1) obviously it's in a guitar-like housing, (2) it does not have any calibration data (at least it would appear not to) which is necessary to accurately use with whammy bar and joystick, and (3) it has two bytes changed for its unique device identifier. -- Para 07:17, 13 March 2008 (PDT)

Wii Motion Plus

I'd imagine that this would get its own page once it's released and we know more information about it.

I suppose we can calculate orientation data on the motion plus by correcting the drift with data from the accelerometers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the accelerometers are reporting a net force from all three sensors that roughly equals real gravity, this would indicate that no additional force is being applied to the wiimote. In these instances, the values read could be used to "snapshot" the current orientation of the wiimote, or at least as much as we can tell using the accelerometers. You would then be able to use this information to correct any disagreements between the accelerometers and the gyro sensors.

Assuming one of the sensors detects yaw, it makes sense for the other sensor to detect roll, not pitch. I say this because of the way I've seen the wiimote used in games like raving rabbids. It seems more common to ask the player to put the wiimote in a vertical position, which makes it impossible to measure roll using the accelerometers. (for instance, if you were holding the wiimote straight over your head, the game would be unable to detect a twisting motion made with your hand.) The position of the wiimote that makes it unable to detect pitch is more commonly seen in driving games. In this position, pitch is less important and yaw has the emphasis (but then again yaw is easily calculated from the accelerometers in these cases.) In fact, I think it would be rather weird to play a game requiring me to twist the wiimote left and right while driving, although this would allow for a bit of flexibility in that it would be able to detect when the player had turned in their chair. Why asking the player to face away from the TV screen during a *video* game makes sense is beyond me, but who knows.

The issue that comes to mind for me is how to calibrate the yaw sensor to the front of the TV. I guess when the wiimote is flat you could calibrate it based on when the sensor bar came into view, but I'm not sure I can see this working for all orientations, or working for a long time with games that don't require the sensor bar. Perhaps the gyro sensors won't produce enough drift to actually make this an issue, so that a game could reasonably calibrate one time during a menu sequence, and then not ever again for the duration of play. This may be even less important if the game uses more gesture recognition than actual direct motion sensing, as gesture recognition doesn't need an accurate measurement. Still, the prospect of a true sword-fighting game for Wii (which I'm surprised hasn't happened yet) still makes me wonder how this attachment is going to be put to use. --Thegamefreak0134 05:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Guitar Hero: World Tour instruments

The issue with wireless Nunchucks seems similar if not identical to the issues with Guitar Hero: World Tour instruments. Personally, I've been trying to get the World Tour extensions to connect to a PC, as opposed to Wii Homebrew, but working out how it is they connect could be beneficial for both. We haven't got much so far, but there were some I/O logs (created with USBTrace) posted here: [2]. Also in that same thread were logs that were created when the controllers were connected to the actual game (running in dolphin, I believe). Hopefully posting this here will give more chance of people seeing it and (fingers crossed) knowing what to do with it. -- death_au

The thread linked above now has a lot more information on it. World tour instruments can now be initialised and a fair portion of the input can be interpreted. -- death_au