Talk:System Menu 4.2

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Do we know if Indiana Pwns still works? And if so, is it possible to reinstall HBC/BootMii with the Hackmii Installer, or will the system just wipe them again? --Hunter 1 02:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Nevermind, thanks for putting up the answer on the main page. Now to get my copy of LIJ back from my friend... --Hunter 1 04:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Not even caps

Not even capsing guise. Is Comex's Smash Stack beta still functional? I assume it is, but I am most certainly not going to check until more is known about this and its effects on boot2. Momentum 04:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes. --Dialexio 04:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
YES, THANK YOU. THE CAPSING HAS RESUMED INDEFINITELY. I'LL GO ADD IT AS A WORKAROUND FOR BANNERBOMB. Momentum 04:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

This is a bold move for nintendo

Well i never thought theyd actually do it. But DAMN. Cant believe that they took out 5 things in one update....--ChuckBartowski 05:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

And it was the major things yet to boot.AaronMosh7 06:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

DVDx and non-piracy cIOS

Does DVDx still survive after the update as well as the non-piracy focused cIOS (249, 202)? Stevey 05:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to guess not, considering it overwrites the IOS versions, I think it takes out just about EVERYTHING, even Bootmii as boot2 is gone Cactusjack901 07:01, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Messages from Nintendo

I added Australia's Message from Nintendo; describing the update. Xiphiidae 04:10, 29 September 2009 (AEST)

United Kingdom message added too ~ PhoenixTank | talk | contribs | 06:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

German-Version added ^^ | SailorCM | 22:31, 29 September 2009 (CET)

Features?

Does the update have any features except stopping homebrew and piracy? --WiiPower 07:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Nintendo claims that it improves performance, but other then that, no. devonodev 09:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Only NA message says it would improve performance, maybe Japanses says that too. I guess the exact same piece of code can improve system performance in one geographic location, and do nothing like that in other. I guess i still got a lot to learn about programming! (sarcasm) Spec 14:56, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Boot2

1. Boot2v4 does not prevent the IOS downgrading, there are Wiis with boot2v4 that can downgrade IOS. Not that i care to downgrade (regular) IOS, but it's just not true the way it's written here, it depends on the hardware revision if downgraded IOS work or not. --WiiPower 07:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

So can you still downgrade IOS on 4.2 with an old wii or not? --SifJar 17:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

2. Can BootMii installed to boot2v4? I mean as soon as TT finds a new eploit.(i assume the exploit used for the installation is fixed) --WiiPower 07:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Given the proper boot1 version, it can be installed on boot2v4 that's what I have it on, the boot1 is where the exploit lays. What I wanna know is if Hackmii Installer 0.4 TEST runs, if so, then I can update worry free, actually =p Cactusjack901 08:02, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Wii Shop Channel

I noticed the page was changed to say for people to use NUS Downloader to update their Wii Shop Channel, rather than WiiSCU. I already used WiiSCU shortly after the update was needed to access the Shop, which worked, but do I have the same result as what would be achived with NUSD? MasterGH 07:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Reverted it myself a few moments ago. Having no problems with a WiiSCU updated shop channel. Can't see any reason to use NUSD. ~ PhoenixTank | talk | contribs | 07:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
What is your Wii region? I have a PAL and WiiSCU it's not updating my shop channel :( I have also updated IOS61 to its latest version, but it's still asking me for update. --Marcmax 14:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I have the same problem as you, with a NTSC-U Wii.--digoserra 16:57, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
NUS isn't working too.--digoserra 18:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)--Update: It worked now! I used NUS to download it, but I had to manually change the version to 17 because the database is outdated.--digoserra 19:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I made a quick modification to Wii Shop and IOS61 installer, now it installs the real latest Shop Channel :)--Marcmax 21:09, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

legal action?

is it at all possible for us to take legal action against nintendo yet? I was thinking they may have used some hbc code in order to detect it --Toagac 11:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Not in this way. Nobody needs hbc code to detect if a channel with the title id HAXX is installed. But they could be in trouble because they delete it in general, that's a manipulation of installed software and could be illegal in some countries. --WiiPower 11:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
The update message probably mentions "unauthorized modifications" for that reason. "... updating to Wii Menu version 4.2 will also check for and automatically remove such save data or program files." I don't see why else they would broadcast the fact that people are making modifications. It probably brings more people into the homebrew/mod scene than it deters. --Parannoyed 14:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Parannoyed. What's funny is that wiibrew has been fighting pirates (no wads, "Don't pirate. " as this page says) for so long, "helping" nintendo to deal with pirates but in the end nintndo put "unauthorized modifications" (i.e. wiibrew) in the same category. As far as legality, the only legal case wiibrew could bring would be an antitrust one. But I'm sure they consulted their lawyers before releasing this update. Spec 14:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Backup loaders and especially usb loaders are possible because of hardware design errors, but Nintendo cannot fix that design errors without making old games unplayable on new Wiis. If they want to prevent piracy, they have to make it impossible to run unsigned software. And emulators, which can be downloaded from Wiibrew, are piracy loaders from Nintendo's point of view, so Nintendo wants to stop homebrew emulators, too. -- Thza 15:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think killing homebrew is about fighting against piracy, but rather it's a fight against unauthorized software. Developers have always paid Nintendo top money for the privilege of distributing their games for nintendo consoles, and now some homebrew people developed a way of running software without "authorizing" (meaning paying a load of cash, because there's nothing else to it) to Nintendo. I got to read more about how is that possible that MS had to pay a big anti monopoly fine for integrating IE with Windows, but Nintendo was able to get away with pretty much that since always... -- Spec 15:57, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Safe updater

Has anyone made a safe 4.2 updater yet? I can't say I'm surprised that Nintendo are getting nasty. Uninstalling the homebrew channel is a big statement. Crundy 15:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm curious - based what is described about this update - is there a single benefit of updating to 4.2? 4.1 brought motionplus fix, 4.0 brought sdhc support, but why upgrade to 4.2? --Spec 15:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Maybe to play new games that might force you to update if the version of your software is below a certain point. If you buy a new game you might accidentally delete your homebrew channel.. I think that's the only real reason why you would want to safely update if possible. Qwho 17:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Makes sense. Coincidentally Wii Fit plus is coming out in next couple of days. We'll see what happens... -- Spec 17:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
There is no real need for a safe updater, as the only purpose of this update was killing homebrew. Without that, the update is completely pointless, and is basically 4.1 running on IOS70. However, if you really want a safe updater, it would need to just install IOS70 and System Menu 4.2 for your region, and it would need to patch the System Menu before installing to prevent HAXX and DVDX deletion. This shouldn't be TOO hard, because there are already preloader hacks for all regions except Japan which do this. It would just be a case of patching these hacks into the system menu before installation I think. --SifJar 19:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

How does it remove HBC?

What does the install look for? Is it looking for the ticket of HBC (HAXX) or is it some other means? Pinball wizard 21:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)