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== New Page for Development Tools? ==
 
== New Page for Development Tools? ==
 
I'm thinking the development tools should be moved to a new page? They aren't homebrew applications, they are development tools and should have a page outside of the homebrew apps space. What do others think? [[User:Jamesdodd|JD]] 18:07, 10 June 2008 (CEST)
 
I'm thinking the development tools should be moved to a new page? They aren't homebrew applications, they are development tools and should have a page outside of the homebrew apps space. What do others think? [[User:Jamesdodd|JD]] 18:07, 10 June 2008 (CEST)
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:Done. Look at the [[Main Page]], the [[Homebrew apps]], and the [[Developement Applications]] pages. [[User:wackysystems|Alex]]

Revision as of 20:07, 10 June 2008

MAG Loader

Since MAG Loader is marked for deletion because its just a modified release of another homebrew app, should it be deleted from this page? JD 14:24, 6 June 2008 (CEST)

Editing

If you intend to format the Homebrew apps page make sure you understand the table formatting first. I just had to fix it 3 times in a row because 2 other users (one not logged in) where trying to move an item from one category to another but didn't use the table markers. nliwilson 08:28, 17 May 2008 (PDT)

Tar

Is it possible to offer a .zip download in addition to whatever tar files are provides? Not everyone has administrative privileges on the pc's they use. For instance even though I'm in college we are monitored heavily on what we use the library pc's for. it's against the rules to install programs on the computer. I would need to install a program in order to decompress any tar file. I love linux and would have a linux machine right now if my last one wasn't destroyed, but windows can not natively read tar files with the installation of some type of program. Windows, linux and macs all support zip files. Zip files aren't exactly too large, they're larger than tar, but not that much. When you're dealing with the file sizes this wiki uses a less capable compresser isn't really going to make you or break you when it comes to its file size. ~gametaku5@gmail.com

Use 7-Zip Portable from a flash drive to extract tar files. You don't need to install it. -- 86.41.192.208 10:50, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

NB: You do have to install 7-zip_portable to your chosen storage device first. Please also note that 7-Zip is available, free, for conventional installation. The Portable Apps project is an attempt to bring OS X style app encapsulation to Windows and although very worthy it doesn't quite manage the drag 'n drop simplicity of Mac app installation. --nliwilson 16:47, 7 June 2008 (CEST)

GC SD and Wii SD slots hombrew apps

Is it perhaps best to now section homebrew to ensure they are identified as loading from the GC or Wii SD slot, even until they are perhaps updated to load data from the Wii SD slot?

Versions

I think it would be a good idea to keep the versions up to date in the table.

I think the versions should be removed from the table. Also, please sign your talk page edits by typing --~~~~ at the end of them. --Hiker13526 00:25, 8 May 2008 (PDT)

Type in table?

Since every thing is sorted by type, why do we still need to keep the type of application in the table?

Agreed
Seconded. 198.166.12.229 12:52, 17 April 2008 (PDT)

Web browser

We know the DS has a few third party browsers now, but it would be nice to see a Wii one! (Could we port over Firefox or some other open source browser?)

Is Opera open source? A port of the PC one would be far superior than the Opera Channel, and Firefox, as without all its extensions firefox is nothing, whereas Opera is basically FF + All the good extensions. (sorry if I start a browser war :s). Muzer 10:17, 25 April 2008 (PDT)
No, it's not, and this would be a lot of work for little benefit.Bushing 14:26, 25 April 2008 (PDT)
Opera isn't open source; I disagree that this would be a lot of work for little benefit. Java support, downloading files, add in plugins and other things you can't do on the Internet Channel which would be definately worth it.
I think it depends on if you would really use it -- I agree it'd be cool to use Firefox on my Wii, but if I actually want to browse I get my laptop. And if you don't have access to a computer with the internet, you're not going to be able to get any Wii homebrew anyway! I do think it'd be cool, and I'd definitely download it if someone put it up, but I agree with Bushing -- not worth it. -- karaken12 11:45, 13 May 2008 (PDT)   (P.S. Sign your posts! Use ~~~~)
Opera is not free, I mean it's not a free software and it costs 500 wiipoints, port Firefox or a webkit based browser should be a lot of work but it also would be a great alternative to the bad Wii's Opera. Terloup2 10:32, 27 May 2008 (PDT)

Sub Pages

I was wondering if there was a reason for the homebrew apps to be sub pages as opposed to individual pages. Using sub pages on articles can complicate mediawiki wikis as they generally employ a categorical structure as opposed to a tree structure. It can also cause too many sub pages, IE sub pages of sub pages of sub pages. I propose that future homebrew app article pages be created on their own full article page and instead of using this sub page structure, use only [[:Category:Homebrew_applications]] along with [[Homebrew_apps]]. And also, if possible, to move previous homebrew apps to their own article page. --Hiker13526 19:50, 2 May 2008 (PDT)

Really bad idea to remove them, would make the wiki untidy. Besides, for the apps, it is a tree and categorical. And how would it cause subpages of subpages? Muzer 00:52, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
I agree with Hiker here, subpages is not a good idea. I recommend a similar solution as over on meta wiki, that is, create a new namespace for these pages. Looks pretty much the same in the urls, but is less subpages and more a real way of sorting it. (Note: Do not just add pages with a new prefix, the wiki admin must add it in the settings for things to work properly.)--henke37 01:01, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
Subpages do not keep the wiki more tidy, that is what categories are for. A wiki is not a tree structure and was never meant to be. It is linked categorically, like a web. It does cause sub pages of sub pages because I wanted to add subpages to WiiHL for translation ini files but that would be a sub page of a subpage that shouldn't exist. Having a sub page for something like a translation file would be a correct usage of the feature. To have a successful tree structure sub pages of sub pages are needed. Otherwise it isn't a very good tree. But I do not think that is what we should be aiming for. Instead, I believe that having a number of different categories, nav templates, and list pages is a far better method of organization. Wikipedia doesn't even allow sub pages on the main namespace because they know people would abuse it far beyond its intended usage. Subpages are great for the Project namespace or User pages but they have a very small need or want on the main namespace. I recommend we move all the current incorrect uses of sub pages to be in the root of the main namespace. Although something like this has never been decided before on this wiki I feel we should set some precedence for it. Voting, that is. As has worked on many wikis before, a majority vote seems fair unless anyone has good reason otherwise. --Hiker13526 07:51, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
I still think that a proper namespace to organize things is the best solution. It makes it easy to separate normal articles from this radically different content, a catalog of homebrew applications.--henke37 14:24, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
Quoting Meta-Wiki's MediaWiki help: "Namespaces allow, among other things, a separation of content from policy and discussion. They encourage separation of the pages of a wiki into a core set intended for public viewing, and private information intended for the editing community." Homebrew pages are part of the content, therefore, should be in the main namespace. I agree with Hiker13526: remove the subpages, and use categories instead. Felix123 22:07, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
I disagree with you there, you say that they allow to separate content from misc things. This is true, but what you fail to mention is that they don't force it. To reuse my mediawiki example, the extensions is still part of the content, just not the same part as the main pages. I feel that this is the same case, a clear sub part of the content that belongs in a separate namespace. A sub site so to speak.--henke37 15:07, 12 May 2008 (PDT)
We all agree that using subpages is not an optimal solution. Lets solve this sooner rather than later otherwise we will have even more pages to move. Felix123 05:53, 21 May 2008 (PDT)

Control images

It will be nice to have section with the image of the controls accepted in the apps. Like the one on games boxes. It could be nice if someone could remake those above in a better quality, and maybe in a better format (svg). If we don't use the images here, it could be in the Info box of each apps.

Anyway, it's just an idea... - Crayon

is that copyrighted pictures ? i'm not sure about the legality to keep that in. May rework it a bit ? 212.198.147.236 23:19, 7 May 2008 (PDT)
I think Nintendo have better quality versions somewhere on their labyrinth of a site, I remember seeing them a few times. At least, I saw the GC and DS versions, and that was before the Wii was out. Muzer 23:29, 7 May 2008 (PDT)
I found them! http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/buyers_guide.jsp#accessories --Muzer 23:29, 7 May 2008 (PDT)
That's why it could nice if a designer makes new one. Like that we don't have any problem. I was only showing those picture has demo. So it could be deleted when someone decide to remake new ones (if necessary). - Crayon
How's this? GCNController.svg Wii Zapper.svg I didn't much like the blue color but I can certainly color it blue if needed. --Hiker13526 00:13, 8 May 2008 (PDT)
Wow, that's amazing you read my mind. Good job! Now we only need a place where to put those images - Crayon
Those look brilliant! Go ahead and make more, I'll put them on the respective pages (I can only do GC controller so far for obvious reasons)
Also, please keep with the names that I'm adding the nonexistant images as. Muzer 10:36, 8 May 2008 (PDT)
Could you also add images for Front SD slot, SD Gecko, USB Gecko, GC Memory Card and Mass Storage Devices? Muzer 10:41, 8 May 2008 (PDT)
How about the term "Wii SD" instead of "Front SD?" It sounds much better to me, and should let people know it's only for Wii mode apps, not ones running in GC mode. --Dsbomb 15:42, 10 May 2008 (PDT)
Hey, that's a good idea. The Wii logo is more iconic than just the word "Front" And I bet it would be easier to see at smaller sizes. --Phred 11:13, 11 May 2008 (PDT)
Made a 1 player Wiimote icon, hope it's good enough. Tried to match it up with Hiker13526's style: Wiimote1.svg I have the 1-4 player versions made already. Before I upload I just want to know if this is something Hiker would rather do himself? As in making the control images. Chathurga 04:00, 9 May 2008 (PDT)
I made templates to make adding the icons easier. Like {{GCNController}} gives you GameCube Controller. Is that okay? Phred 15:05, 10 May 2008 (PDT)
If I said no at this point, would it make a difference? You've already added them to every page in sight. You and Muzer are going to drive me nuts. I fully regret ever making those icons. --Hiker13526 15:10, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

Template:Infobox homebrewapp

I propose using a comma and line separated list in the peripherals field of the infobox such as the one at right. I also believe that the current templates Phred made should be changed to text-only instead of images. Judging by the number of icons already showing up the homebrew apps pages without prior discussion, I am guessing that this proposition will not go over well. But, even so, at least now everyone knows there is a better way to do it even if you have all already settled on the icon method, which by the way looks like crap. --Hiker13526 10:42, 9 May 2008 (PDT)
Personally I think it looks better with images. That's why I did this proposal. Crayon
Created Nunchuck.svg & Nunchuck template {{Nunchuck}}Nunchuck alternative.svg - Jackal 18:36, 11 May 2008 (PDT)

As a professional graphic designer, I'd very much like to point out that simply retracing a copyrighted image (as you did above) does not create new copyright. You are not free to grant licenses for this work, and they should be replaced by original creations or removed. Sorry. Drmr 12:37, 12 May 2008 (PDT)

And to set a proper example, I re-did the Gamecube controller icon. I need the practice anyway. Drmr 05:48, 13 May 2008 (PDT)
New nunchuck coming up, will replace the copyrighted one as soon as I finish. - Jackal 05:54, 13 May 2008 (PDT)
Yes, mine turned probably out too simple: Nunchuck alternative.svg. In the long run, however, if we want to keep the icons, we should create unified versions anyway. Drmr 07:14, 13 May 2008 (PDT)
Just to show my new one here 30px, but will use drmr's one for the template coz it looks better when shrinked and it's more unified
It's a good idea to let people with talent make new design without any copyright. Perhaps, they should look like they were designed by the same person. Click on my name for an overview of all design (I think). Crayon

Ideas for Homebrew-Apps

Moved to: Talk:Homebrew apps/In development

Subpage links messed up

Ok, it seems someone tried to simplify the page changing all [[Homebrew apps/something]] to [[/something]]. Apparently this works on Wikipedia but not on Wiibrew, so I'm changing it back unless somebody has a reason to keep it like that. --XaPi 19:18, 5 June 2008 (CEST)

That is because when they reinstalled MediaWiki, they don't re-enabled subpages on the main namespace, but that is fixed now. LoganA 16:03, 8 June 2008 (CEST)

Applications in Development pre public beta

Given the popularity of homebrew and people wanting to challenge themselves and make their own applications, the amount of applications getting announced and added to the wiki which may have extremely long development times or may never even come to fruition will no doubt increase. So can I suggest that we have a new subpage for Homebrew apps where all these projects can be dumped? This could also be good for gathering testers from the wiki or ask for help and probably a good idea to move the ideas section form this talk page to it? JD 13:14, 8 June 2008 (CEST)

As me being one of those people with a project, I second that. Pinball wizard 16:05, 8 June 2008 (CEST)
How many votes/how long should we wait before just doing this anyway??? things are a little slow round here in terms of this sort of maintenance stuff. JD 19:57, 8 June 2008 (CEST)
Go for it. Be Bold --Blooper4912 20:22, 8 June 2008 (CEST)
Haha! ye, now what to call it? JD 20:28, 8 June 2008 (CEST)
  • pre beta
  • not quite ready for public consumption
  • ???
Call it Homebrew apps/In development. --Blooper4912 00:10, 9 June 2008 (CEST)
Cool, its done and working :D

New Page for Development Tools?

I'm thinking the development tools should be moved to a new page? They aren't homebrew applications, they are development tools and should have a page outside of the homebrew apps space. What do others think? JD 18:07, 10 June 2008 (CEST)

Done. Look at the Main Page, the Homebrew apps, and the Developement Applications pages. Alex