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==Sub Pages==
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== Changes to apps pages ==
I was wondering if there was a reason for the homebrew apps to be sub pages as opposed to individual pages. Using sub pages on articles can complicate mediawiki wikis as they generally employ a categorical structure as opposed to a tree structure. It can also cause too many sub pages, IE sub pages of sub pages of sub pages. I propose that future homebrew app article pages be created on their own full article page and instead of using this sub page structure, use only [[:Category:Homebrew_applications]] along with [[Homebrew_apps]]. And also, if possible, to move previous homebrew apps to their own article page. --[[User:Hiker13526|Hiker13526]] 19:50, 2 May 2008 (PDT)
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:Really bad idea to remove them, would make the wiki untidy. Besides, for the apps, it is a tree and categorical. And how would it cause subpages of subpages? [[User:Muzer|Muzer]] 00:52, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
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Although they make the apps pages look neater, it makes it nearly impossible to monitor updated apps. Many app developers do not announce app updates on the Homebrew Updates page, and subscribing to the Special:RecentChanges RSS feed gives far too many pages. The only other way would be to subscribe to the RSS feed for every single app, and that's obviously a bit silly. Maybe the layout of that page should be discussed, or at least a version field re-added. [[User:Muzer|Muzer]] 19:23, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
::I agree with Hiker here, subpages is not a good idea. I recommend a similar solution as over on meta wiki, that is, create a new namespace for these pages. Looks pretty much the same in the urls, but is less subpages and more a real way of sorting it. (Note: Do not just add pages with a new prefix, the wiki admin must add it in the settings for things to work properly.)--[[User:Henke37|henke37]] 01:01, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
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: The apps pages were becoming way too unwieldly, so this was the solution that Blooper and I came up with to deal with the bloat. Versions aren't a good indicator that an app has been updated, as they don't tell you when an app was last updated, unless you're following that app closely. '''If''' anything is to be added, I would suggest a Last Updated column. --[[User:Tantric|Tantric]] 20:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:Subpages do not keep the wiki more tidy, that is what categories are for. A wiki is not a tree structure and was never meant to be. It is linked categorically, like a web. It does cause sub pages of sub pages because I wanted to add subpages to WiiHL for translation ini files but that would be a sub page of a subpage that shouldn't exist. Having a sub page for something like a translation file would be a correct usage of the feature. To have a successful tree structure sub pages of sub pages are needed. Otherwise it isn't a very good tree. But I do not think that is what we should be aiming for. Instead, I believe that having a number of different categories, nav templates, and list pages is a far better method of organization. Wikipedia doesn't even allow sub pages on the main namespace because they know people would abuse it far beyond its intended usage. Subpages are great for the Project namespace or User pages but they have a very small need or want on the main namespace. I recommend we move all the current incorrect uses of sub pages to be in the root of the main namespace. Although something like this has never been decided before on this wiki I feel we should set some precedence for it. Voting, that is. As has worked on many wikis before, a majority vote seems fair unless anyone has good reason otherwise. --[[User:Hiker13526|Hiker13526]] 07:51, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
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Why did you delete the download and source columns, it takes time to check every new app to just see if its source code is released.--[[User:Salehhamadeh|Sal3000]] 05:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
::I still think that a proper namespace to organize things is the best solution. It makes it easy to separate normal articles from this radically different content, a catalog of homebrew applications.--[[User:Henke37|henke37]] 14:24, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
 
:::Quoting Meta-Wiki's [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace MediaWiki help]: "Namespaces allow, among other things, a separation of '''content from policy and discussion'''. They encourage separation of the pages of a wiki into a core set intended for public viewing, and private information intended for the editing community." Homebrew pages are part of the content, therefore, should be in the main namespace. I agree with Hiker13526: remove the subpages, and use categories instead. [[User:Felix123|Felix123]] 22:07, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
 
::::I disagree with you there, you say that they allow to separate content from misc things. This is true, but what you fail to mention is that they don't force it. To reuse my mediawiki example, the extensions is still part of the content, just not the same part as the main pages. I feel that this is the same case, a clear sub part of the content that belongs in a separate namespace. A sub site so to speak.--[[User:Henke37|henke37]] 15:07, 12 May 2008 (PDT)
 
:::::We all agree that using subpages is not an optimal solution. Lets solve this sooner rather than later otherwise we will have even more pages to move. [[User:Felix123|Felix123]] 05:53, 21 May 2008 (PDT)
 
::::::"Namespaces allow, '''among other things''', a separation of content from policy and discussion." I agree with henke37. [[User:Nintend06|Nintend06]] 01:30, 25 June 2008 (CES
 
:::These applications do need to be moved out of subpages to the top level, once this is done the [[:Category:Homebrew_applications]] page will give a nice overview instead of lumping everything under H. I don't see any ''benefit'' to using a namespace in this case when a category separates or helps me ''discern'' from the rest which of the pages are apps. MediaWiki is set up so meta data ''about the content'' (like discussions) and meta data used to ''manage the content'' (like templates) are in separate namespace from the content. Technically there is nothing in the mediawiki engine to enforce that. (Yes the meta data is part of the content, that's part of what makes a wiki a Wiki). [[User:CarstenK|CarstenK]] 07:58, 22 July 2008 (CEST)
 
::::I agree. Just look at Wikipedia. They have a huge amount of articles that are all in the article namespace and they are of all sorts of different topics. --[[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]] 19:59, 8 August 2008 (CEST)
 
  
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== Other languages ==
  
I've made a table of what everything that has discussed here wants. We should try to make a final decision soon and start moving pages. --[[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]]
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Since the translations of these lists are often out of date, i suggest making this english page look as follows (or something similar), and remove the lists in other languages alltogether.  
  
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{| class="apptable sortable"
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| Keep as is || [[User:Muzer|Muzer]], [[User:Initrd.gz|Initrd.gz]]
 
 
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| Move to Article namespace || [[User:Hiker13526|Hiker13526]], [[User:Felix123|Felix123]], [[User:CarstenK|CarstenK]], [[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]]
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! width="25%" | Title
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! Article language
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| Move to different namespace || [[User:Henke37|henke37]], [[User:Nintend06|Nintend06]]
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| [[Homebrew Channel]]
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| [[Homebrew Channel|en]] | [[Homebrew Channel/es|es]] | [[Homebrew Channel/ja|ja]] | [[Homebrew Channel/it|it]] | [[Homebrew Channel/nl|nl]] | [[Homebrew Channel/fi|fi]] | [[Homebrew Channel/de|de]] | [[Homebrew Channel/fr|fr]]
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| Installs the Wii Homebrew Channel onto the System Menu
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| Team Twiizers
 
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This was not meant to be vote, as per [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTDEMOCRACY Wikipedia is not a democracy] and [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_vote_on_everything Don't vote on everything] from Meta. It is a discussion. This table was created to provide an "at a glance" view of the discussion. Since this discussion has been around for a while without any change, I am going to start moving pages into the article namespace. --[[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]] 17:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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It would be even cooler, if the lists in other languages could just update themselves, but i dont think thats possible...
 
 
==Problem with categories in Homebrew Channel==
 
 
 
I cant figure out how to rename the title for the emulators in the wiki file. I always get a file that says apps/snes9x/boot.dol or something like that how do you fix it so it will say Super Nintendo Emulator or something like that does anyone know!!!''''''
 
:Check [[Homebrew Channel#adding text|here]]. Next time, use the wiki's built in search (it's that big white bar with the word "Search" above it on your left).-- [[User:Ds342|Ds342]] 01:21, 18 July 2008 (CEST)
 
 
 
== Controls? ==
 
 
 
The icons used for the Controls aren't a bad idea, but they look kind of silly whey they only have the one direction on them. As discussed on [[Image_talk:ButtonUp.png]], images that show the entire D-Pad with a direction highlighted like [[:Image:D-Pad BtnUp-arn.png]] should be used instead. --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 05:22, 27 June 2008 (CEST)
 
:Yes,the icons used for the d-pad controls do indeed look silly,and I do agree that showing the entire D-pad would make them look better. What does everyone else think of this? --[[User:Ds342|Ds342]]
 
::I agree. And remember, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold Be bold], especially with improvements like these. --[[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]] 03:02, 3 July 2008 (CEST)
 
::A new [[:Category:Controller_Buttons|category]] has been created with all the controller buttons. The new D-Pad images are used. Developers should start to use those templates on their apps page. --[[User:Crayon|Crayon]] 22:10, 4 July 2008 (CEST)
 
:::Much better [[User:Xyrion|Xyrion]] 03:27, 9 July 2008 (CEST)
 
 
 
==Concerning the Elderly==
 
 
 
Abandoned apps that have been obsoleted by more stable/featureful ones should be removed from the list and relocated to a retirement category where they will be given prescription drugs and sit around talking about how nobody ever visits them.  I'm sure most people can think of at least a few abandoned apps that no longer belong. [[User:Flark|Flark]] 07:14, 9 July 2008 (CEST)
 
:I agree, Old apps need to be relocated to a special page and not deleted, in case someone finds a use for them again. [[User:Initrd.gz|--Initrd.gz]] 5:04 PM, 15 August 2009 (CDT)
 
 
 
==date column?==
 
it would be useful (to me) to have a "last updated" column with month/day/year so i can see what's changed since i looked last without going through the wiki revisions - unless there's another way to do this that i'm not aware of
 
 
 
== Separate page for Games ==
 
 
 
The list of media players has a separate page, and there are only 7 media player apps (released). There are 33 games, but they don't have a separate page to list them. The list of games is starting to clutter the Homebrew apps page, and I think the Games section should be given its own page. [[User:Nintend06|Nintend06]] 03:28, 25 July 2008 (CEST)
 
 
 
Opinions?
 
  
:I agree, it makes sense [[User:Chosen One 41|Chosen One 41]] 05:55, 25 July 2008 (CEST)
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--[[User:Mechaelvis|Mechaelvis]] 19:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:I also agree, but it should still be in a table format, and not like the media player page! [[User:Jamesdodd|JD]] 11:37, 25 July 2008 (CEST)
 
:Yes, that's a good idea. Maybe also divide the table according to the genre (action, strategy, etc)?[[User:Felix|Felix]] 00:09, 26 July 2008 (CEST)
 
:^ Maybe if we get more games, but right now, I think spitting the games from the other stuff would be good, and maybe keep a page of PC Utilities.[[User:Initrd.gz|Initrd.gz]] 12:33, 08 August 2008 (Central Daylight Time)
 
:We should move all the different categories into seperate pages (like [[Homebrew apps (games)]]). That would allow more info to be added to the page about apps in general and links to pages on development. --[[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]] 19:56, 8 August 2008 (CEST)
 
::That's a good idea, but if we did that then we would have to either move all the pages in that category(like from [[Homebrew apps/Example Game]] to [[Homebrew apps (games)/Example Game]]) or change the links to be exact(from [[/Example Game]] to [[Homebrew apps/Example Game]]). I think changing the links would be easier for now, but moving the pages would be better in the long run. --[[User:Nintend06|nintend06]] 16:10, 9 August 2008 (CEST)
 
:::We're probably going to be moving the homebrew app articles to the main namespace (or another) soon. --[[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]] 18:14, 9 August 2008 (CEST)
 
::::Well, I took the first step and split the table off into its own page (and I just fixed the links) -- feel free to redo it if you have a better way. [[User:Bushing|Bushing]] 23:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 
  
== Idea: Add peripherals to each table ==
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Ugh. That would still leave the description untranslated. So I don't like the idea. These lists won't be that outdated anymore because they just include title, description, author - and not download, version, updated, etc. --[[User:Tantric|Tantric]] 19:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
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:Point taken, but it's more when a new application is released, sometimes it takes a long time before it's added to the other languages lists. --[[User:Mechaelvis|Mechaelvis]] 14:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
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:: True, but it takes even longer for it to be translated, if at all. And if the app page isn't translated, and the list is half translated, is there any point at all? --[[User:Tantric|Tantric]] 15:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
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::: You are correct. If a german page links to a page that hasn't been created in german, should it link to the english article or the non-existing german article? [[User:Mechaelvis|Mechaelvis]] 09:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  
Improvement to compare similar emulators. Shrink peripheral icons to not be obtrusive.
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== Demo category missing ==
:There is already the [[Homebrew apps/Peripheral info]] page for that. I plan to merge that page into the individual list pages so they are used and updated more often. --[[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]]
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We left out the demos tab on this page. I don't see a reason why someone looking for Wii applications would not want to see those listed on this page (WiiEarth, headtracking demo, etc).--[[User:Michael|Michael]] 13:26, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
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: They were moved. They are accessible from the main homepage, under the "Development" section. --[[User:Tantric|Tantric]] 16:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
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::In my opinion, the demos belong here just as much as the "joke" apps do, or the "math" apps do, as examples. By placing the demos where the avergage user would not look, we're inadvertently diminishing the work of the demo writers. If the only purpose of the demo is to demo code or some technique related to coding, I 100% agree these should be in the dev section, but that's not solely the case here.--[[User:Michael|Michael]] 20:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
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:I have added a link to the demos to the linkbar. <tt>--[[User:Blooper4912|<font style="color:#FF6C0A;">'''Blooper'''</font>]] [[User talk:Blooper4912|<font style="color:black;"><small>(Talk)</small></font>]]</tt> 22:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
  
== New page layout! ==
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== Question ==
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Could you add development apps to the to linkbar; And i was wondering if you could give me a link to the template of the app table thanks? - [[User:Gamewizard71|Gamewizard71]] 04:27, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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: No and no. Don't touch the template please and thanks. --[[User:Tantric|Tantric]] 04:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
  
I have created a completely new page layout. I think it's a lot more organized and easier to navigate. Tell me what you think of it. --[[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]] 15:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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I got a question. I downloaded WINTERMAN, a game in the applications. And I don't know how to play it. As in, start it up.... is there a folder I'm suppose to put it in? 'Cause I have it in the Apps folder currently. Thanks. --[[User:Randoman|Randoman]] 22:00, 8 June 2011 (CEST)
:Oh I forgot to add that I need help making descriptions for the links to the lists (like the notible applications) and an overall page description to put above the table of contents. --[[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]] 15:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 
::I went ahead and added some descriptions to the links to the lists. The new homebrew apps page looks very nice, although I'm not sure if we should have separate categories for things such as the math and joke programs, since there are so few of them..  perhaps a "miscellaneous" category should be created for programs like that?  [[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]] 15:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 
:::Hmmm... I'm kind of against a miscellaneous applications list. You wouldn't know what it contains just looking at this page. Also, thanks for adding those descriptions. I am going to try and put them into a table to make it look a little better. --[[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]] 15:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 
:I hate the new layout. Now when I want to update my favorite homebrew I have to click all the category links to see their version numbers instead of seeing it all on one page. I also can't ctrl+F to quickly find whatever homebrew I want anymore. Instead I get carpal tunnel syndrome from all the clicking and I die in pain. Well done. [[User:Xyrion|Xyrion]] 01:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 
::I liked having all the homebrew on one page. but anyway I placed a small description on each page of the sub-pages that is copied off the new Homebrew applications page.[[User:Roboprez|roboprez]] 06:38, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 
::I can create another page that has a list of everything. The reasoning behind the separate pages is that it allows more information to be added for each category (like on [[List of homebrew applications (media)|Media]]). It also allows the [[Homebrew apps/Peripheral info]] to be integrated onto the individual pages and used more. This is not the finished product of the change and I am definitely open to more ideas. --[[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]] 12:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 
:::The big list page would be very useful. Thank you. [[User:Xyrion|Xyrion]] 18:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 
::::Done. The [[List of homebrew applications]] now contains a list of all apps. --[[User:Blooper4912|Blooper4912]] 15:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 05:15, 5 December 2018

Changes to apps pages

Although they make the apps pages look neater, it makes it nearly impossible to monitor updated apps. Many app developers do not announce app updates on the Homebrew Updates page, and subscribing to the Special:RecentChanges RSS feed gives far too many pages. The only other way would be to subscribe to the RSS feed for every single app, and that's obviously a bit silly. Maybe the layout of that page should be discussed, or at least a version field re-added. Muzer 19:23, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

The apps pages were becoming way too unwieldly, so this was the solution that Blooper and I came up with to deal with the bloat. Versions aren't a good indicator that an app has been updated, as they don't tell you when an app was last updated, unless you're following that app closely. If anything is to be added, I would suggest a Last Updated column. --Tantric 20:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Why did you delete the download and source columns, it takes time to check every new app to just see if its source code is released.--Sal3000 05:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Other languages

Since the translations of these lists are often out of date, i suggest making this english page look as follows (or something similar), and remove the lists in other languages alltogether.

Title Article language Description Author
Homebrew Channel en | es | ja | it | nl | fi | de | fr Installs the Wii Homebrew Channel onto the System Menu Team Twiizers

It would be even cooler, if the lists in other languages could just update themselves, but i dont think thats possible...

--Mechaelvis 19:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Ugh. That would still leave the description untranslated. So I don't like the idea. These lists won't be that outdated anymore because they just include title, description, author - and not download, version, updated, etc. --Tantric 19:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Point taken, but it's more when a new application is released, sometimes it takes a long time before it's added to the other languages lists. --Mechaelvis 14:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
True, but it takes even longer for it to be translated, if at all. And if the app page isn't translated, and the list is half translated, is there any point at all? --Tantric 15:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
You are correct. If a german page links to a page that hasn't been created in german, should it link to the english article or the non-existing german article? Mechaelvis 09:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Demo category missing

We left out the demos tab on this page. I don't see a reason why someone looking for Wii applications would not want to see those listed on this page (WiiEarth, headtracking demo, etc).--Michael 13:26, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

They were moved. They are accessible from the main homepage, under the "Development" section. --Tantric 16:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion, the demos belong here just as much as the "joke" apps do, or the "math" apps do, as examples. By placing the demos where the avergage user would not look, we're inadvertently diminishing the work of the demo writers. If the only purpose of the demo is to demo code or some technique related to coding, I 100% agree these should be in the dev section, but that's not solely the case here.--Michael 20:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I have added a link to the demos to the linkbar. --Blooper (Talk) 22:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Question

Could you add development apps to the to linkbar; And i was wondering if you could give me a link to the template of the app table thanks? - Gamewizard71 04:27, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

No and no. Don't touch the template please and thanks. --Tantric 04:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I got a question. I downloaded WINTERMAN, a game in the applications. And I don't know how to play it. As in, start it up.... is there a folder I'm suppose to put it in? 'Cause I have it in the Apps folder currently. Thanks. --Randoman 22:00, 8 June 2011 (CEST)