Talk:BootMii

Support for GameCube Controllers

I do not know if it has already been thought of, but I would love if the BootMii menu would support Gamecube controllers. I play most of my games and run most homebrew with Gamecube controllers, since I don't like having to change batteries in my Wiimotes all the time, and I hate having to use Wiimotes to start my Wii. If the BootMii menu had support for Gamecube Controllers, this would not be an issue. Mekuso —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mekuso (talk • contribs) 07:34, 19 April 2009

Your wish is our command. (Actually, it's almost technically impossible to use the WIimotes at such a low level, so we are supporting GC pads out of necessity.) --Bushing 12:23, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Does this mean that people that don't have a gamecube controller can't control the bootmii menu? If so, would it be possible to use the reset button on the wii to scroll through the menu and the power button to select something?Boredom 16:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

We also support navigation using the reset / power / eject buttons on the front of the Wii. -- Bushing 20:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

How the reset / power / eject buttons work ? Can you navigate without GameCube Controller ? -- Sca.nab 12:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

As Roofus mentioned below (#Installs and boots ok, but controller doesn't respond), I'm not having any luck with the reset/power/eject buttons; those buttons maintain their primary functions. My BootMii is currently installed as IOS. --IanWatson 01:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Other people have had this bug as well. The console buttons don't work with bootmii as IOS.Yossi 02:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

BootMii and System Menu 4.0

This is probably a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. Will BootMii work on a Wii running System Menu 4.0 (With or without fakesigning bug)? SherlockHolmeboy 09:55, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I think we can all apreciate the irony of me posting this, but have according to this page at the hackmii site where all that kind of information is normally disclosed, yes it will most likely work.--Recklessness 10:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate learning. :) Yes, it will work on a Wii running System Menu 4.0. We've taken some time to consolidate installers for BootMii, HBC and DVDX, so we can reuse the same exploits for all three. -- Bushing 12:22, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Preloader on Steroids?

Sorry to criticize, well not exactly criticize because I think you guys make great stuff but call it what you will, but isn't BootMii (aside from it replacing boot2 instead of the SystemMenu which I understand is safer and more efficient) redundantly similar to preloader? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ienjoytaffy (talk • contribs) 20:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

read this from hackmii: http://hackmii.com/2009/02/bootmii-and-the-new-boot1/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tech3475 (talk • contribs) 10:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

We started working on BootMii before Preloader was written. -- Bushing 20:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The gist of it is BootMii takes control at the first possible opportunity, giving you (among other things) maximum brick protection. The only way you could be bricked, AFAIK, is a deliberate attempt or hardware failure, as it doesn't rely on anything stored in NAND. Preloader and other homebrew apps start a lot further into the boot process, so they offer less protection. .Hyper//Hacker 21:06, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

BootMii beta 1 ReadMe

What "P.S. ios cat iz in ur wiiz watchin ur isoz" (the end line of the readme) means ? -- Sca.nab 17:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Refer to http://www.lolcats.com/ Elisherer 11:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

So it's just a joke, isn't it ? -- Sca.nab 12:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I suppose there's some anti-ISO-loader code in it or something. I'd love to know just what, as I hate the idea of some unknown code "watching" what I do, even if it's something that shouldn't (not necessarily won't - nobody's perfect) affect me. .Hyper//Hacker 21:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

... or it could just be a joke.--Bushing 07:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Could be. With all the pirates vs anti-pirates wars, you never know. .Hyper//Hacker 09:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

No, actually I do know. -- Bushing 11:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Well yeah, you do... .Hyper//Hacker 19:39, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Feature request: Way to start BootMii with boot2-install version

If BootMii is installed as boot2, it can't be started from the HBC, only at bootup. I haven't tested this mayself, please correct me if i'm wrong. Is there a way to make it possible to launch it the same way as the IOS installation(from HBC)? --WiiPower 18:39, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Just install bootmii as boot2 and ios. Link33 19:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, not a solution to me. This blocks the use of PatchMii that is installed as IOS254. Or imagine, nintendo releases a IOS254 blocker in the form of something that requires that IOS or it refuses to work. --WiiPower 19:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you just restart your Wii to run the boot2-version? -- Bushing 07:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

BootMii IOS installation and DVDx

Since the BootMii IOS installs as IOS254, it kills the DVDx PatchMii installation. Is there a way to use BootMii IOS and the new DVDx in combination with drivechips? It's possible to do a workaround with a PatchMii that installs somewhere else and then install the old DVDx to that IOS, but that's not a nice solution. --WiiPower 18:39, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

MINI

Wy MINI and not Linux ? -- Sca.nab 11:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean? I don't understand what you mean.

If I understand correctly, MINI is aminimal OS launched in place of the official WII OS. Maybe I did not understand ... As I understand it, why not have used a minimal distribution of Linux? -- Sca.nab 14:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

See this: Mini. Mini is alot more lightweight than linux and requires far fewer resources, it is designed for its job whereas linux would be alot harder to implement into this role, the linux kernal itself (before anything else) is larger than mini alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tech3475 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Stupid question: Will BootMii be able to use a sd card as nand?

Is it possible for BootMii to trick the Wii to think that the inserted sd card(or a special partition on it) is the nand? Where are the drivers for nand access? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WiiPower (talk • contribs) 13:37, 15 May 2009

I think it would be possible but not an easy task, the nand drivers are in every version of IOS , so a new NAND driver would have to be written for every version of IOS to replace the nand driver with a custom SD driver. BootMii may also need editing in order to allow it to boot into a modified version of boot2, which also would need its nand driver replacing, to load the system menu, and the initial IOS directly from SD. So it could be possible, just with a large amount of work. --Lukeusher123 06:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually there is one currently under development. they call it nand emulation, but i don't believe booting into said nand will be possible. more or less it will launch from the program, allowing you to boot into whatever sys menu nand version you have. however made by a developer not allowed to be discussed here. so end of discussion!--Hatredg0d 13:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

SD Card Compatibility List

See BootMii SD Card Compatibility List. -- Sca.nab 12:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

You need at least a 1GB SD if you want to make the NAND Backup; There's no a free space check on the beta2. --Pcton 19:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Is HBC Needed?

do I need to install the HBC on my wii to run HBC through Bootmii boot2? --Gjb999 01:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding undated comment added 17:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC).

Maybe you can extract the executable from the HBC with wadunpacker and run it from the BootMii menu. One of the .app files should be the boot.dol/elf. It's possible you are able to run the HBC without installation this way, but autoboot is not possible for that for now. --WiiPower 17:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you do. -- Bushing 07:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Updating question

If I have saved a NAND backup with 3.2 Installed, is it possible to update to 4.0 and then later restore the backup to downgrade to 3.2? Would there be any difference to my current install? JP 13:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes you can. I can confirm this as I did this myself (I even got bored and deleted half of my IOS-es and it still restored fine). But I personally didn't see a point with 4.0, SDHC doesn't apply to me and I find most of the WiiWare games boring (SD menu) --Murkantor 06:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

NAND file sizes

I want to know if the size is always the same...

512MB PAL WII, SysMenu 4.0, BootMii, HomebrewChannel 1.0.3 = 528MB (553,649,152 Bytes) --Elisherer 13:56, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. -- Bushing 13:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Question about Recovery tool

After the release of beta 2, and the apparent modification to the restore/backup features I was wondering if the nand.bin that I made in beta 1 will continue to work with beta 2. I went ahead and made a backup with beta 2 again just in case, but in the future is it necessary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sashavol (talk • contribs) 01:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

"backupmii accepts fragmented SD cards now, reformatting is not performed anymore. Old NAND dumps are still compatible." (hackmii blog), I think it sais it all. --Elisherer 12:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

help

okay, so i updated my HBC to 1.03 which also downloaded the Hackmii installer. I updated the homebrew channel, installed DVDX and hackmii as an IOS. Everything runs great, but now I can't seem to get the hackmii installer that I downloaded from the BootMii website working at all. I wish to uninstall bootmii as an IOS and reinstall it as boot2 but I can't even get the installer to work correctly. I tried renaming the file to boot.elf and boot.dol and neither showed up on the homebrew channel menu. Blackprince97 11:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

If you don't know how to install it, it's best you don't try because this is meant for experienced wii users. Did you try putting the boot.elf into a folder (any name would be fine) inside the apps folder at the root of your SD card? -- Boredom 19:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I used the recovery tool in beta 3, and everything seemed to go fine. I had previously reformatted the system, and was simply experimenting with it. There's only one slight problem: when I try to use the e-mail function from the Wii Message Board, I can't send or receive any messages, even the ones I send to myself from my e-mail as tests. It was mentioned that the backup tool takes a few "shortcuts". Is this a possible bug, or something else? And will formatting the system fix it? Intrepidd1 01:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I have the same problem as Blackprince97 updated HBC to 1.03, downloaded the Hackmii installer,installed DVDX and hackmii as an IOS, back up my NAND. I want to change to boot2 how do I unsintall bootmii in IOS so I can install it in boot2 so I can restore it in case my wii completely brick and I cannot get into the HBC. Is there a tool to boot into bootmii and restore the NAND without the menu system or The HBC?

Beta 1 Vs. Beta 2.

The auto-boot doesn't work on version 2, with my S-D card. I looked it up, and it worked on the first version. How can I un-install version 2, and get version 1? Bletotum 01:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Other things to boot

Is there something I can put on my SD card to make my Wii start up right at the menu, without getting the health warning screen? Unbibium 23:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

There are some system menu hacks to bypass that screen (make a NAND backup before hacking the system menu), but AFAIK they all still pause at a black screen until you sync the Wiimote. I'm not sure if that's necessary or just something that nobody's fixed yet. (I'm pretty sure Wiimotes can be synced at the menu, so I don't see why it couldn't go straight there.) .Hyper//Hacker 18:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Installing as boot2 via NAND backup?

If I take a NAND dump from a bootmii/boot2 Wii and restore it to a bootmii/IOS wii will bootmii then be installed as boot2 on the newly restored system? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryohumar (talk • contribs) 16:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

No, you can't restore a nand backup from another Wii. --Sca.nab 17:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Installs and boots ok, but controller doesn't respond

After installing bootmii (as part of HBC network upgrade) on system menu 4.0 everything seems ok. But upon loading into bootmii the wii controller doesn't work and just flashes its lights if buttons are pressed. I trried installing bootmii again, but the file attached to this wiki entry doesn't show up on HBC menu. Help, please... --0bvious 09:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The Wiimote doesn't supppose to work, the bluetooth check hasn't been ported yed to bootmii. It's on a really early stage of the Wii startup and that's why they cant recognize the wiimote. meanwhile you can use START/RESET/POWER or plug a gamecube controller. --Elisherer 09:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I too have the same problem, posted the problem on the Bootmii help and got told that the controller isnt meant to work, fine but how the hek should it work, if i press eject, a disc pops out doh!, press Power, nothing, keep pressing power, it turns a proper off, doh! x2, press reset and guess what, yep, its re-sets. PS: What button is START, PPS: Also tried the sync button, it didnt sink thankfully, still on the carpet but thats all. Please help someone. --Roofus 18:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Problem with black screen at boot

My "specs":
System Menu 4.0
Homebrew Channel 1.02
DVDx installed
No previous install of bootmii
2: 1 GB Transcend SD-cards (micro SD with SD-adapter)

What I do
I boot my Wii and enter the Homebrew Channel with my SD card inserted (with only installer.elf on it (/root)). Homebrew Channel asks me if I want to update to 1.03. I click no and... nothing happens.

I restart and this time I select Yes. After updating the hackmii installer automatically starts. It checks if everything's installable and everything seems to be. I try to install bootMii as boot2. It tells me to insert an SD-card so I insert my second card that I'll use to start bootmii. It prepares the card, then installs botmii and a big green SUCCESS! message appears.

What happens
When I start my Wii without the SD card in, it loads just as usual and boots the System Menu. So far, so good. When I start my Wii with the SD card in, the screen goes black and nothing happens.

--Chainsawkitten 12:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Seems it was just a compatibility issue with the SD card. I'll add it to the list of non-compatible cards. --Chainsawkitten 12:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions

• HBB support —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamewizard71 (talk • contribs) 02:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
• Ability to set a boot password. Even simple key combinations like up up down down left right left right B A etc.... --ChuckBartowski 01:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

NAND Backup to USB harddrive?

I think it would be a good idea to implement support for platter-based hard drives because they do not suffer the wrath of writing to flash memory. The backup feature, while very convienient, can wreck an SD card very quickly because of the large amount of writing done to the card. I killed a 2GB card by backing up my nand so much (Preaty much after every time i used the wii) Toagac 17:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Flash wear takes quite a while, not unusual to see 10000 writes at least. So I don't think that's what killed your SD card. But I don't think we'll see and USB action in BootMii soon, as that will require an USB stack, which it lacks right now. USB stack is also one of the requirements for WiiMote support, which is also a long way off. --Daid 19:38, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I would write a USB stack myself but since I can't even code in c++ yet(althought I need to figure it out really fast so I don't flunk the 10th grade...), I think it would be best to leave that to the experts

Toagac 15:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Noob Question: Will it work like nothing happened?

I got a stupid noob question. From what i understand bootmii will load something from the SD Card. If it doesn't find that, then it just loads the "normal" wii stuff? So the If i don't got anything for it to boot from SD the Wii will act the same as before? Sorry for that probably stupid question, i just don't wanna risk anything with a 200bucks piece of Hardware without all my questions answered :) --Otacon —Preceding undated comment added 13:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC).

Well, bootmii will only load the bootmii application off of the sd card, not other homebrew applications. so if you have no sd card in your wii during boot, or deleted the bootmii folder from root of sd, it will boot just like it always did. however this does depend on how you installed bootmii, the above stated is true if installed as boot2, but if installed as ios. it will not auto load, you will have to launch it from hbc. you can only install as boot2 on wii's with serials lu5 and down. if you can install as boot2 it works great for backing up the nand, then if you messed up your wii, restore. BAM, good as new. any more questions feel free to ask, only one way too learn?--Hatredg0d 17:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry i forgot to sign here. I'm ashamed :(

Thanks for that information. I already got something in boot 2 (preloader 0.29), so i probably can only install it in Homebrew Channel (wich i can boot directly without the System Menu). Is it safe enough for restoring the NAND if i start it from the Homebrew Channel? I can also Install a File (in my case it was us***ader (dont know if thats allowed to talk about here. But i think you get what it is) wich i can also boot directly from the preloader (like homebrew Channel or System Menu). If i could just install/run Bootmii from there instead of us***ader that would be great. Because i actually really love the preloader and it would give me the oportunity to just "install" bootmii when i need it (if i messed up), and then again run like HC, System Menu or that other channel. --Otacon 01:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually Preloader does not install into boot2. It moves the sysmenu ios, and puts itself there. i have experimented with it. and if i was you i would install bootmii in boot2, possible get rid of preloader. however you can have both if you like. if you were to brick your wii, and had only preloader. theres a fair chance you would be bricked for good. and yes, it is safe enough to use bootmii to restore nand through hbc, however, if you bricked, it would do you NO good at all as ios installation. with bootmii as boot2 it will pop up right after you press the power button, you can then go to sysmenu, hbc, or preform nand backup/restore. and if you update with preloader installed. it could result in a brick. so even if you Really Really love preloader, and cant get rid of it. i would install bootmii as boot2(If Possable). make a nand backup. and leave that sd card somewhere safe/or put the backup and bootmii files safely on your computer of something. NO Talk about that is not allowed here, and wii get you banned, even if semi censored. as for booting homebrew apps from preloader, i don't beleave so. not sure though. and this is not an option of bootmii. some people make modified channels for loading hb apps. however those are illegally modified Nintendo wads so NO discussion of them here. Any more questions? --Hatredg0d 15:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)