Talk:Categorii

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EPIC

I Love this app! It's epic! I can finally have categories!!! TwoBladedKnight 12:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I second that! May I recommend that we have a apps\ with 'games,utilities,demos,etc' and in every apps_??? we have 'back to menu' it would be awsome. Yossi can you give an example for something like that? --Elisherer 12:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
You just described the tree setup. It can be done with what I already posted. You just setup the meta.xml file to say "back to menu" while the link actually points to apps_menu/ or whatever.Yossi 17:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I don't know why the HBC people have never thought to add something like this -- HBC has needed it for a long time. I'm about to give this a try, but just reading the wiki, it seems over-complicated to configure. Why not make it self-configuring, and make it so that it doesn't need to use separate folders.... i.e., you just run this program (from HBC or whatever -- give it a name so that it appears first in the list in HBC) and it reads all the apps in the apps folder, and from within the program you can select which apps go into what category, and it stores that information in a cfg file, and displays things accordingly..... --Mr. Reaper 21:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

that is kind of beyond the scope of this app, but it is a good idea. this app is very simple (<100 lines). what you want would need a UI also --Yossi 00:57, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
The best UI for this is the Windows Explorer :) (Maybe a premade directory tree in a zip file would be good?) --Elisherer 07:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I loved this app as well I did make a premade directory. Yossi I hope you don't mined I'm linking to my mediafire share http://www.mediafire.com/file/tz3y1m0dmw2/Categorii_SCRoot_1_2.zip I used your icons as well. --capple123 01:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
You forgot the UTILITES_LINK_ROOT directory. Otherwise, good work. Good idea linking games and emulators directly to each other--Yossi 04:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Fix that. I don't know what happened. I had it all when I tested on my Wii--capple123 12:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I mucked that up too. Only a small Spelling error though. The UTILITES_LINK_ROOT title was Utilities not Link to Utilities like it should have been. Above link is updated and here it is again. http://www.mediafire.com/file/tz3y1m0dmw2/Categorii_SCRoot_1_2.zip --capple123 19:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Three words

This.App.Rocks.

I needed this for a LONG time :) Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LuciusMare (talkcontribs) 17:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

I love you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PZYR0 (talkcontribs) 18:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

My Logos

here are my new transparent logos..

--Elisherer 19:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Very nice! :D Yossi 20:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Could you make some for emulators and media too?--Yossi 23:06, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Sure (games changed...) --Elisherer 07:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
any chance you could make an 'installers' one? I have a category for preloader install freedom install and hackmii intaller TwoBladedKnight 08:10, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Lovely! Any chance you could add an icon for "Misc"? --Sorky 02:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I was kind of hoping to standardize of an apps_* naming format (mostly because with wiixplorer I just have to erase the _* but also so teknical might have an easier time deciding how hbb will deal with this sort of thing)--Yossi 10:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Warnings

Possibly you should mention that this app does it's all magic by changing names of the directories on the sd card which may seem unpleasant to some... --I R on 22:05, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I did mention it. It's right there under the Wut? heading--Yossi 00:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Oops, sorry I missed it --I R on 06:03, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion 1

I think it would be nice to have your config in the Meta.xml file - I don't believe it would interfere and it would mean editing only one file ;-) --Sorky 02:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

PS: Awesome idea - so simple, yet so usefull. I've commented for the HBB to have support for this added!!!

The thought did cross my mind while I was making this :D But now that it was done this way, I don't know if it's a good idea to change it.--Yossi 06:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Go on... You could maintain backward compatibility by using the config.xml if no value is found in the meta.xml - would be so much neater ;-) --Sorky 16:37, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion 2

It might also be nice to have a password (button press sequence) required for selected directories as a way to limit access to the Installers! ;-) --Sorky 02:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

The way I have it, I have one directory that only has a link back to root. The only way to get into it (from the wii) is to rename it with WiiXplorer. I was already doing this for a bit when the idea for this app came to me.--Yossi 06:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Just needs another option... ABUDLR+H-12 and if the app is run, ask for the sequence before changing any directories - if they match, proceed. If not, simply reload the HBC. --Sorky 16:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion - possible HBB solution/workaround

  • I will edit the following to clarify pending sleep/thinking on it:

I don't know how complicated it would be for HBB to add support for everybodies random category names [plus translations] ...

however, if this could be internalized in this app [and subsequently, any potential knock-offs...], it would be easier for each dev to maintain support.

my idea is such: keep/make a translation for all the entries in the sub-categories, and have a compatibility mode, that you can select and run [ since this app is headless, this may need to be a separate .dol, maybe it could be used to chainload hbb when selected also...]. anyways, when this compatibility mode is chosen, it will rename all the apps into /apps, with no cats, so that hbb is happy.

I am not sure how easy/clear this is to read at the moment. I am still setting up my install, and will clarify this when I can.

PidGin128 03:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC) [also, this reminds me of PSP:\\seplugins\game_categories.prx, which had several CAT_ folder prefixes, to be shown as virtual memory sticks. I think newer psp fws have cats\folders builtin? [i'm a little outdated]]

  • HBB Updating can be done, with many copies of HBB, one in each cat. as long as you only update/install apps appropriate for that cat, it should function normally?... Also, I still haven't gotten installed yet [easily distracted...], but I seem to think you could set this up to rename everything from the cats, back to classic apps folder, although not the otherway around--- this was literally a half-baked thought. needs more sleep [on my part] PidGin128 06:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
The multiple copies of HBB idea can work. The problems are that you need to remember to only get stuff for the category you are in, you need to run it for each category, and HBB downloads ALL the icons it uses to a temp/ directory. So you have to be ok with multiple copies of that on your SD card as well.--Yossi 07:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply, and the nice app itself. Forgot about HBB's /temp, shouldn't be too bad, I need to see how big it grows. I don't think I'll be using that setup myself, I was just sharing for anyone who might [and so I don't forget it myself..]. I did just finish roughing out my cats, hopefully I won't suddenly decide to change them all. Since they are still unpopulated, I might be tempted to upload them, esp. since they use Elisherer's excellent gfx above.
Before I used the app I wasn't sure if this could be accomplished with what was already released. Since I have a better understanding now, what I might have suggested as changes, are perhaps better off as a complimentary un/flattening app. To flatten to /apps: find all App* prefixed folders, records contents, and moves all to /apps. Run HBB and when done, unflatten with the recorded locations, move everyone back into their categories, maybe new apps into an 'unsorted'/misc cat. This extra work may not be worth the effort. maybe WiiXplorer could have some rename macros to handle this? how intrusive is devkitpro? I may have to out my money where my mouth is, and try this myself.
Since I have your ear, I have some thoughts now that I have put my hands and eyes on this. First: My HBC loading has sped up immensely, since /apps is now just ~6 cats [and each cat loading should improve too, since the content is now divided]. kind of obvious, but thanks. Second: If you keep the console blank it'll seem transparent, like we never leave HBC. Third: Returning to HBC the remote is off, I haven't noticed this with other apps [some might also do this].
Thanks again -- PidGin128 08:29, 11 September 2009 (UTC) [It took me that long to write all this nonsense...]
Nevermind the power off remote thing, I wasn't waiting long enough. Also the text is helpful when setting up a new cat structure, but maybe an [global] option to disable it once everything is working/settled? -- PidGin128 08:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
1. The un/flattening app sounds like a reasonable idea. I think it would be better if it had a config file telling it exactly what directories to combine rather than just grabbing all apps_* dirs. (even better would be if hbb put stuff where it belongs, but then everyone would need to settle on a naming convention) 2. you would have to ask the wiixplorer guys about that. 3. devkitpro is very non-intrusive. It keeps itself in one directory and otherwise only puts shortcuts in the start menu.
As for the text on the screen: at one point it was going to just be a blank screen, but it was somewhat disconcerting and you never knew if things worked until hbc loaded again. It also made it a pain in the butt to debug, so I quickly added some output so you know what's going on (or going wrong :P). I don't really want to make a global anything because that would involve putting a config file on the root of the card and I don't like apps that do that. There is a sleep function at the end of the program, removing it might make this a bit more snappy. --Yossi 10:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion - WiiChannels category

  • I will edit the following to clarify pending sleep/thinking on it:

full of stubs .dols to execute selected wii [maybe someway to enter wii settings also?] channels: Internet, disc, nintendo ch, shop ch, news, wx ch, etc. [unless there is a generic app to list and execute channels that I was unaware of.] this way, we can have hbc load always with no delay from bootmii, and we don't have to exit to load opera, disc, etc. BONUS POINTS! create an opera stub to load a homepage/selected url, since even with the latest update, it only has favorites. [I realize most of this isn't 100% appropriate here, but it does fit into the theme of sorting/cleaning up and adding functionality/usefullness to hbc.]

PidGin128 03:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Solution: I need to stop being lazy and install DKP... I especially like launching opera with a URL to solve the no homepage issue. -- PidGin128 08:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

USB works fine

This isn't explicitly mentioned anywhere [That I could find quickly]. USB works quite well, assuming you have an up-to-date HBC install. --PidGin128 10:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC) [I figured, since I spammed this poor discussion page so much, may as well add some useful info.]

Naming conventions

Categories should adhere to a standard naming convention. This will make it easier for HBB to download apps directly to the correct category. In addition, the links themselves should follow some standard as well. This will leave open the possibility of updating categorii links through HBB.
As you can tell, I am partial to the apps_* convention for categories.
For the links themselves I was originally thinking to go with link_*, but after seeing Capple123's ( *_LINK_* ) and PidGin128's ( _Cat* ) ideas I'm no longer at all sure that link_* is the best choice.
Of course, if you feel you have a better idea please post your arguments here. --Yossi 10:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

HBB

I would not be surprised and it would benefit all if the Homebrew Channel would adapt the idea of folders. This way you would not have to rename folder back and forth just to fake out the current HBC. Then HBB would easily change to accommodate since things are already sorted. Using this program HBB would need to know where it what the current SD/apps/ folder was named ie. apps_utilities --capple123 19:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)